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Super Bowl thought: Peyton is no Brady
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This isn't a commentary on Reiss. However, the way the media is already reacting (by retracting the "Manning GOAT" assertion after he choked tonight) is exactly what I've been complaining about for the past two weeks. The media is about as fickle as it gets, latching onto the Flavor of the Month. I really just wish everyone would wait until these two retire to compare them and then decide who is the best.
Perfect article...absolutely perfect...
i agree with kon. i dont think anyone ever thought manning was a better clutch player than brady.
and brady has made his fair share of mistakes in games. threw a big int in the end zone in the super bowl v panthers.
manning is great, brady is great. you get either one of them your franchise wins for a decade and doubles in value
I couldn't of said it better myself. The part that people tend to forget about 07 is Brady did lead his team to a lead late in the 4th quarter with a td to Moss. The defense just couldn't hold.
I feel bad for Manning (just a little bit ), but that was just an epic choke that made the difference in the game. I'd like to think that Brady would not have made a throw like that in a game that big, but I don't know. Part of the reason this year was so frustrating for Brady IMO is that he basically had Moss double and triple covered and when we lost Wes he had NO ONE he trusted to be where they were supposed to be when he threw the ball. Turnovers are the name of the game and Brady just didn't have anyone he could rely on once Welker went down.
No doubt about it that Manning had a superior team to the Patriots around him this year, but in the end he coughed up a hairball in the biggest one of them all and lost the game for his team. Beautiful.
If not for the utter ineptitude of the 2006-07 Bears, Pay-me would have ZILCH to show for all the ballwashing he gets. This definitely isn't the end for Peyton and Colts, but it's a good start, and what a beautiful night it was for the Saints and all of us who hate Dungy, the Colts and their idiotic fans.
This is the best article I've seen in my life.
I agree with Kontradiction on this one. If Brady is playing well, he is the best ever, then, number 18(like they say), is the best players this league as ever seen, if Brady isn't playng well.
Manning is good in regular season, ONLY!
Every regular season, Manning wows the ballwashers, both in the media and elsewhere. It takes the playoffs for them to get their reminders of the true order of the QB pyramid.
Though I don't think you're getting me wrong on this (you and I are usually on the same wavelength), I think I should clarify that, by the time they finish their careers, Brady will be looked at as the better QB. By a comfortable margin, I might add.
Manning in the playoffs: 9-9
I agree. One more SB win and the only question is Brady/Montana for the GOAT. Manning shouldn't even be in that conversation, and I've been saying that for years.
Manning's in the top 10-15. Slotting him in the top 5 is an insult to the best of the best.
I wouldn't have a gripe with putting him in the top 10, just because of his statistical accomplishments. But I would not put him in the top 5.
sometimes having a head coach helps. i bet bb wouldve gone for the 4th and short with manning instead of trying a 51 FG when their defense was getting shredded by the saints.caldwell proved he doesnt make any decisions and just stands on the sideline..
I'd like to thinks so, but if the Colts had won in any fashion tonight the National consensus would have been that Manning was/is better than Brady. 3 vs. 2 Superbowls would have been forgotten. Manning with all of those MVPs would have been viewed as the better QB.
I saw Steve Young say that he could not remember Manning giving the game away in a big game. H obviously had a mental block on the early 90s when the Pats made Manning look awful in the playoffs year after year. One of the other commentators then pointed out that Manning was now 9-9 in the playoffs. 9-s in the playoffs. Case closed, Brady wins.
Yeah, I broke it all down once, but I don't have the data all in front of me. I had him slotted in the 8-12 range, depending upon how I weighted certain factors. In no particular order, I've got him behind Brady, Starr, Graham, Baugh, Unitas, Montana and Staubach, and in a group with Elway, Young, Favre and Bradshaw.
Definitely- if their GOAT proclamations were so halfhearted that one bad game could make them pull a 180, then what does that say about how they went about making those decisions in the first place?
On the other hand, Payton screwed the pooch on the 3rd/4th and goal.
Yeah, I remember seeing that. There wasn't really anything on there that I didn't agree with.
It's the media, I guess. Their job is to sell newspapers.
I'm pretty sure Manning audibled on that last drive on 3rd down and decided to run the ball (which was idiotic to begin with because the Saints knew it was coming) and not running on 2nd down.
That was horrible play calling by Manning and Moore on the final drive with goal-to-go. It reminded me so much in 2003 when the Patriots had that goal line stand against the Colts. Almost identical the playcalling.
People should also be talking about that.
And, in that same game, in the same position against the Panthers, Brady threw a TD, a 2 point conversion, and then lead them on the final game winning drive.
Shouldnt Aikman be in there?
I also think Bradshaw should be up a notch, and ahead of Staubach. They were contemporaries and Bradshaw won 4 SBs to 2. Bradshaw gets a bad rap because of the defense and the fact that he won one in 74 when he had a bad year, but he became the focal point of the team for the last 2, and was good in 75 too. His stats get killed too, but the game was totally different. Compared to players in his era his stats were good. Compared to QBs after all the rule changes isn't realistic.
i don't think i ever say aikman choke esp. in a big game. 3 super bowls in 4 years is amazing and he is probably the most accurate qb in NFL history.
This sort of ranking certainly doesn't have a 100% "right/wrong" capabillity. Having said that, and just giving out my opinion on the subjects:
1.) I'm not sure Aikman is even in my top 20 QB. I'd have to break it down further. Guys like Tarkenton, Tittle, Marino and Fouts come into play at that point.
2.) When you match Staubach up to Bradshaw in a head-to-head, you've got to remember that Staubach missed about 5 years due to military service and didn't even get into the league until he was a 27 year old rookie. That certainly impacts longevity awards and gives Bradshaw an edge in years played, as well as robbing Staubach of some peak physical years.
WHO DAT gonna throw a back-breaking end of game interception in the Superbowl? Peyton "Bum" Manning, dat's who. Greatest of all time? Child please.
The media is a bunch of clueless fickle biatches. It is fun when for one night their bs sounds like what most of us have said all along. At least for tonight, we can enjoy it.
Aikman has 3 rings, and he played flawlessly in earning them.
He wasn't asked to put up gaudy numbers, so I don't hold that against him. What he did was win.
Staubach/Bradshaw probably accentuates the subjective nature of this kind of argument. I'm looking at accomplishments, and ignoring factors that diminish the results, and you are putting more thought into what if.
Not that either is right or wrong, which is why this kind of debate is hard to get agreement in, since the criteria of 'best' is not fully defined.
Just an FYI. I don't do any "what if" about Staubach, because I don't think it's necessary. I simply noted it as a reality and something that has to be acknowledged. He was a better QB than Bradshaw, IMO, DESPITE missing those 5 years. The significance of that time is in regards to career numbers, since Bradshaw was able to play more years as a result.
He now knows what we already knew Brady is better then that robot Manning.
So.... when do I get to see the commercial where a little boy materializes and whispers, "Porter" to Peyton?
Lol. Somebody put together a Youtube clip of that. Having the little kid whisper "Wayne" to Manning and then showing the pick 6 would be pretty funny too.
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