Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by eastsrule, Aug 30, 2008.
I like it a lot.
it looks good and people will criticize me for saying this but I wish there was a spot for ventrone. give the guy a shot in the regular season. he makes things happen.
I think Aiken goes IR and Ventrone makes the team
I like it. No use carrying a 3rd TE just to have one. Im sure the revoving door will be at that position all year.
Young LB's (Redd, Guyton) really step up and force their way on the team.
Ya, tough call with Ventrone but if Aiken is healthy I go with him
Richardson I am not so sure about unless he goes on IR
It wouldn't surprise me to see a bit of shuffling - maybe at CB, brining in a cut from another team. If there's anyone at TE available they could get a look as well - and I'd still maintain that even with Gutierrez "extensive experience" in the NFL, I'm not sure his performance justifies keeping him.
If someone wants to suggest an actual experienced veteran QB to give us three QBs I'd be open to that, however aside from that I'd go with 2.
Good list. Lots of young players for the future.
If I am correct we had 9 draft picks this year - 7 might make the final cut? - Thats pretty good...I think
I think Aiken would be great to keep for special teams but am unsure of his physical status. I agree that Ventrone seems to make things happen out there and would love to see him on this team, especially since he's one of those guys who could play defensive back in a pinch- just don't know where unless Aiken goes to IR as previously stated.
I like the idea of keeping Guyton; he's an interesting player with a lot of upside and great speed who should make some key special teams contributions this year.
How much value does Eric Alexander have to this team? I've seen him make some nice special teams plays (so that's probably my answer) but am not overly impressed with his LB play.
I also like the idea of getting rid of Cassel and keeping the other two QB's; he's got too much of that deer in the headlights thing going on to be successful if called upon.
After giving a positive review of this roster, BB will probably cut the
young linebackers and bring back Monte Beisel and Chad Brown.
7 actually, 6 make it with Ruud the odd-man out. Still pretty good.
CB's are s-c-a-r-y....Hobbs/Bryant/ 2 rooks and a 2nd year IR'd guy.
Look for an add on right there with a cut vet or FA, Ty Law??
Ruud can go to IR based on the way he left the giants game.
That is a good list of players. However I do expect then to pick up a player or 2 once the cut have been made by other teams. Look fro that to be in the OL and/or a backup QB.
terrence wheatley will be good though.
I find it hard to believe that BB would start Cassell in all 4 preseason games and then cut him. And it baffles me how an NFL roster can only have 2 TEs. Keeping 5 RBs tells me that running the ball will be a priority...but the lack of TEs doesn't mesh.
If you kept two QB's as Gasper suggests in his column today one can't be O'Connell because he's way too raw as a pro or in this system and saw little time in pre season. And he won't make the PS. Gutz is eligible (which the media never mentions) and likely would, The tortured logic the media is applying to this situation leads me to believe Cassel kicked their collective puppy... I know they are by and large lemmings who follow the leader, but this lock step dismissal of Cassel out of hand while totally ignoring the AT LEAST equally disappointing showings by Gutierrez against second and third stringers is nearly comical. Matt must have pranked them and let the air out of some tires or something...not to mention Gutz must have towed them all to the shop gratis...
Our depth at tackle is very shaky. This is the top priority in next year's draft. Britt's preseason play does not inspire confidence.
I still would prefer Hobson to Alexander. However, the fact Hobson played so extensively in game 4 suggests he was being given face time on game film to help him get a job elsewhere, an act of charity to a vet. But I want Hobson on this roster.
He has his limitations, but he's durable and tough and a proven commodity. He will figure out the ILB position over time and become "faster".
Otherwise this is a roster we can be very proud of. I do hope Redd and Guyton both make it.
Yes, IR'ed shirted. Good call.
I sure hope so. There are a few names on there I would axe to make way for Ray.
I made some comments here.
I think Richardson goes to the PS. He might not make it, but it's a chance you take. Ventrone gets cut. If he was going to make it, he would have started ahead of someone else by now in the preseason games. Along these same lines, the Eagles recently cut everyone's favorite binkie, Bam Childress.
I think Hobson stays and Izzo goes. Alexander can at least take the field as a LB whereas Izzo cannot.
I would think Welbourn stays. He has started at OG and OT, both positions of weakness. Should I say dire weakness? No way they keep only 8 OL this year. Unless someone can tell me he's sucked on the field -- maybe he has. But we don't see the practices.
I think back-up QB is a toss up right now and I would not be surprised if BB went with only two. If both Matts were cut now then it might make it much more likely that Gutierrez makes it to the PS.
I would not be at all surprised to see Ventrone make it. He is far more versital than Aiken (he's almost a Troy Brown clone) and if they only keep 2
QBs, he might be able to do that as well. If Aiken physically doesn't make the 53, then Ventrone should.
I don't see keeping Yates at all. He absolutely showed nothing where Welbourne is a proven veteren who can play two positions.
The other Smith showed up pretty well during the PreS and if BB keeps 7 DLs, he might make it.
Its time for Izzo to go. Both Bruschi and Harrison who have years of special team experience and have the leadership, could do Izzo's job. Maybe, Izzo getting the special award the other night was also a goodbye thankyou!
As far as DBs go, I think Spann and the other Sanders will also get strong consideration. Both showed up well in the PreSeason.
I don't know if Gutierrez has shown enough to supplant Cassel.
Aiken hasn't done anything this preseason and is probably unavailable for week one.
I might be tempted to add one more offensive lineman, but 8 might suffice. Reiss has a good 8 to pick.
At linebacker, I'm going to continue to say I don't want Izzo on this team. His special teams play is not strong enough anymore to warrant a spot there and only there. He hasn't seen time at LB since, what, 2003?
Richardson, really? I don't know why.
QB: (3) Brady, Cassel, OC
WR: (6) Gaffney, Jackson, Moss, Ventrone, Washington, Welker
RB: (5) Evans, Faulk, Jordan, Maroney, Morris
TE: (2) Thomas, Watson
OL: (8) Britt, Flynn, Hochstein, Kaczur, Koppen, Light, Mankins, Yates
DL: (6) Green, Seymour, Smith, Warren, Wilfork, Wright
LB: (9) Alexander, Bruschi, Crable, Guyton, Mayo, Redd, Thomas, Vrabel, Woods
CB: (4) Bryant, Hobbs, Wheatley, Wilhite
S: (5) Harrison, Lynch, Meriweather, Sanders, Spann
Do with the 53rd what you please.
Beyond having had a great camp, I'd like to see Spann make the 53 because, aside from Meriweather, there isn't another rangy free safety on the roster. If Meriweather were to go down, that would leave you with four relatively slow footed safeties and no one to even attempt the kind of moving around they were experimenting with BM.
I would rather have Hobson and Welbourne (or Spach) than Redd and Guyton, but this is a fine roster. BTW, I am fine with Riachrdson over Lewis Sanders if Belichick thinks he's healthy or will be soon.
Spann feels like a darkhorse candidate. He really could make it but I think it happens as a direct result of an unexpected cut if it does. If not, I'm not positive he makes the P-Squad this year, but you never know.
Shalise Manza Young's predictions from Providence Journal:
Another take. She has Gut'z staying, Cassell going. She also has 3 TE, which makes sense to me. Pats have kept at least three almost every year under BB; the team even uses 3 TE sets from time to time.
All forecasters seem to see 6 DL, but BB has never gone into a season with less than seven.
Another consensus call seems to be Hobbs, Bryant and the two rookies at CB. That seems light.
No Stephen Neal? I would think they would keep him on the PUP until week 6 and then make a decsion if his injury worse off than we think.
I forgot about #95 Kenny Smith. I'd like to see him make it as well. He has exceeded expectations by a mile.
I think Reiss has the most accurate roster that I've seen yet. However, I am VERY skeptical that this staff would keep two guys (Aiken and Richardson) who have been unable to get on the field this preseason and have ZERO experience in this system. I know Richardson was technically on the team last year due to IR, but I don't think that counts. I just don't see how they keep a guy like that. He sits out a year and then an entire preseason and then expect him to just get on the field and be able to contribute in a regular season game? No way. I don't think he makes it, and I would guess Ventrone (or Spann) would take that spot. It's the same with Aiken. If you are keeping Izzo, then Guyton/Alexander/Ventrone/Spann would easily be able to fill Aiken's spot. Everyone has fallen in love with the guy even though he hasn't been unable to get on the field. I don't buy it. I think Ventrone and Spann replace Aiken and Richardson, but overall a good roster.
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