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    I can't find a single player I disagree about. Looking at it now at 53, rather then 75... I can't believe how deep we are.

    Quarterback (2)
    Tom Brady, Matt Cassel
    COMMENT: Rookie Corey Bramlet goes to the practice squad, as the Patriots carry just two QBs for the first time in Bill Belichick’s tenure (2000-present).

    Running back (4)
    Corey Dillon, Laurence Maroney, Kevin Faulk, Heath Evans
    COMMENT: Impressive rookie Patrick Cobbs is edged out by Evans, who was working with a few top special teams units in practice this week. Assuming he’s not courted elsewhere, Cobbs lands on the practice squad, while Patrick Pass starts the year on the physically unable to perform list.

    Wide receiver (5)
    Deion Branch, Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, Chad Jackson, Bam Childress
    COMMENT: John Stone and Kelvin Kight could also be in the mix for the spot given to Childress, as Childress has practice squad eligibility. Willie Andrews, who should make the team as a returner, could also contribute here.

    Tight end (4)
    Daniel Graham, Benjamin Watson, David Thomas, Garrett Mills
    COMMENT: One of the deepest positions on the team, with Mills also responsible for fullback-like duties.

    Offensive line (8)
    Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Dan Koppen, Stephen Neal, Ryan O’Callaghan, Nick Kaczur, Russ Hochstein, Billy Yates
    COMMENT: Tackles Wesley Britt and Randy Hand, and guard Dan Stevenson, likely wind up on the practice squad. This is a deep, smart, talented group. Competition has been intense for what looks like an eighth spot, and Yates gets the nod for his strong work vs. Arizona in Week 2.

    Defensive line (7)
    Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, Johnathan Sullivan, Mike Wright, Marquise Hill
    COMMENT: Like the offensive line, another deep, smart, talented group. Dan Klecko and Le Kevin Smith are the tough cuts, with Smith likely returning to the practice squad. Hill, a 2004 second-round pick, gets a generous spot because 6-foot, 300-pound athletic players are hard to develop and he’s still raw.

    Inside linebacker (7)
    Mike Vrabel, Junior Seau, Tedy Bruschi, Barry Gardner, Larry Izzo, Don Davis, Eric Alexander
    COMMENT: Monty Beisel is the tough cut. Izzo, Davis and Alexander are core special teams contributors, with Davis also seeing time in sub packages.

    Outside linebacker (3)
    Rosevelt Colvin, Tully Banta-Cain, Pierre Woods
    COMMENT: Depth is a concern here, although Mike Vrabel can always return to the outside. Woods, who played at Michigan, looks like this year’s Randall Gay/Mike Wright story -- a rookie free agent who emerges to make the roster. Chad Brown isn’t healthy enough to make the roster.

    Cornerback (4)
    Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay, Chad Scott
    COMMENT: Eric Warfield could still make the club, with his fate possibly tied to Tebucky Jones’ hamstring injury. But Chad Scott brings more value on special teams at this time, as he was on the first-unit kickoff coverage Saturday against the Redskins. Eugene Wilson adds depth here if needed.

    Safety (6)
    Eugene Wilson, Rodney Harrison, Artrell Hawkins, James Sanders, Willie Andrews, Tebucky Jones
    COMMENT: Jones’ hamstring injury creates a little uncertainty here, and depending on its severity could open the door for someone else like Eric Warfield, Antwain Spann, Guss Scott (currently injured), Patrick Cobbs or a free-agent pickup who could carve out a niche on special teams.

    Specialists (3)
    Stephen Gotskowski (kicker), Josh Miller (punter), Lonie Paxton (snapper)

    Final breakdown
    Offense -- 23 players
    Defense -- 27 players
    Specialists -- 3 players

    PROJECTED PRACTICE SQUAD: OT Wesley Britt, OT Randy Hand, OG/C Dan Stevenson, RB Patrick Cobbs, DL Le Kevin Smith, OLB Jeremy Mincey, ILB Corey Mays, DL Santonio Thomas
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    A good job by Reiss and I think it'll be a pretty accurate one too.
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    Good job, still think that it will be Cobbs over Evans and there will be another OLB on this squad, kinda thin in that area.
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    The OLB situation would have me sweating bullets though. Only 3 guys, scary.

    I guess having Mincey on the PS and Brown on the Shadow Roster along with Vrable, Seau, and Alexander having potential position flexbilty is what allows only 3.

    Also with Vrable moving back outside in 4-3 alignments means we are not understrengthed in our 4-3 packages.
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    The PS is rarely that deep. I imagine some of those players sould sign with other teams and get on the active roster.
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    I'm still thinking Cobbs over Evans as well. If Evans is cut, does anyone pick him up? Cobbs almost certainly would be claimed. Don't forget that faulk is getting older and had an injury that was feared to be possibly career-threatening last year. Cobbs could be the guy to replace Faulk soon.
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    It's not the worst position to be in: Cobbs or Evans for fourth string running back, and I'll not be overly upset whoever gets the nod. But Cobbs looks like a keeper, so he'd make my list.
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    He said QB Bramlett would be on the PS, then didn't list him in his predicted PS. I think Bramlett, or whatever QB they put on the PS, takes the spot of Mays.
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    My only beef with Reiss' 53 is Childress over Cobbs (I know, I know different positions, but hear me out).

    If Branch comes back, we don't need 5 WR's. 4 plus Andrews as a swing DB/5thWR is fine. Childress won't get poached from our PS.

    Cobbs would DEFINITELY get poached from our PS. Cobbs is insurance if Faulk goes down with an injury. He would be a great understudy to Faulk.

    For the 1st 6 weeks of the season, Cobbs and Evans can engage in a Texas Death match to see who survives when and if Pass gets off the PUP list.
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    I noticed the same.
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    I wonder if Hill is PUP'd and Klecko hangs around for awhile.

    Alos Mincey maybe getting a spot?

    I am in the Cobbs over Evans camp. Corey will be gone in a year or 2 and Cobbs could be a good backup to Maroney, especally since Faulk is getting older.
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    Atleast 3 of the PS guys will be on other teams 53 man rosters. If, not we will have a PS better than some teams 2nd team.
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    This roster has Woods as the first off the bench at OLB. At the moment, there is little choice if Chad Brown and Bruschi are still unable to play.

    I'm not sure they're giving a roster spot to an injured Tebucky Jones. I'll certainly be happy to see his name on the roster.
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    The BOTTOM LINE is that this a fine roster. BTW, I expect us to have 51 or 52 on the September 2 roster, and may not even go to 53 until after Game One.
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    Hill can't be PUP'd.

    Only Pass can. I want to hear no other names associated with 'PUP' other than 'Pass.'

    ;):):D
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    Amen to that brother.

    If you do not start out on the PUP you can not go to the PUP. It is a one way street.

    So it is either, keep, cut, or IR for everyone except Pass.
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    Judging by the O-lines I have seen in the preseason. I am guessing our back up olineman are going to be coveted somewhat.
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    Hill has a good possibility of being put on IR. I think Chad Brown and Tebucky Jones could also be put on IR, only to be released later with an injury settlement, which would enable them to resign when they are healthy, if needed. These type of moves could free up a few roster spots.
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    I think Klecko makes it - I think Tebucky winds up being PUP'd at the very least ... oh I guess he can't- well even IR - - I'd imagine he's walking with quite a limp right now and won't be running at anything near full speed for another month - why keep a contributor off the roster? Perhaps cut Tebucky outright and do an injury settlement - resign him if you need depth later in the season?

    I'm in the Cobbs over Evans camp as well - I think I know what Evans can do - while he had a great few games last year part of that was because Defenses weren't giving him any respect and he tore them up over it

    Cobbs has more upside and like Kory Chapman last year, I think another team grabs him for their 53rd roster spot before he makes it to our practice squad
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    Mike has changed the practice squad, and Bramlet is on while Mays is off.
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    Is Izzo really worth hanging onto this year?

    I'd take Cobbs (as Faulk's eventual replacement) over Izzo.

    Cobbs has done a hell of a lot to make the team. If his performance to date doesn't get him on the team, why didn't they just let him go weeks ago?
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    Again, what the hell has Cobbs done to show he's "Faulk's next replacement."

    Good God, some of this hype is starting to get crazy.

    Why didn't they let him go three weeks ago? Because they didn't need to! There's a chance for every player right now to make the team, but Cobbs and the rest of the UDFAs have the slimmest chance!

    I can't grasp this ludicrous idea of dumping Larry Izzo, who has been your special teams ace for years, in favor of a player WHO WILL BE INACTIVE EVERY WEEK AND WILL GET A TOTAL OF 5 CARRIES THE ENTIRE SEASON! Also, Cobbs hasn't even played a regular season game in the NFL! The only promise he's shown has been on a HANDFUL OF RUNS IN THE SECOND HALVES OF A FEW PRESEASON GAMES!
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    Cobbs also was needed for Training camp practices. Finally, Cobbs may have made the team if we had a an injury at running back.

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    Since we're thin at outside linebacker, I'd like to see Mincey have a spot, so he could possibly develop as the season progresses.

    Also, I don't understand why the Pats wouldn't throw a 3rd round pick at the
    Chargers and grab Donnie Edwards for the next 2-3 years to help out with our depth.

    Also, since we're thin, makes you wonder why they would've cut Willie McGinest with so much cap room, unless they just felt he had lost it.

    As happy as I am with the draft - I love Maroney and Jackson, I still can't believe they drafted 2 more tight ends and never went after a linebacker or a cornerback. I know they've been successful and I know they draft for value, but geez it sure seems like they leave themselves unnecessarily thin at spots that they possibly could've strenghted.

    I mean doesn't a 3rd rounder for Donnie Edwards seem like a no-brainer for the pats? Doesn't it seem like that would absolutely make us feel much stronger at linebacker? Can't believe they wouldn't pursue that - every game I see, this guy is a major contributor.

    Other than those points though, very pleased with the team's makeup and love the talent and depth. Feel we're a strong team with a good chance to make a run this year. Of course, I'm assuming we get Branch back soon. I think that's critical as well. without branch, I think a trade is necessary and hurts our overall confidence and comfort level. we know what deion can do.

    I say while grabbing linebackers and cornerbacks over the next couple of drafts, pickup a couple more wideouts as well....
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    There may be roster moves that might not make sense at first. For example, a couple of the injured might be cut and re-signed. Jones, Guss Scott and Jones come to mind. We might even cut a veteran like Warfield or Scott and re-sign them. We might cut down to 51 to give more flexibility.

    The roster will take a couple of weeks to develop, certainly at least until the start of Game 2.
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    "what the hell has Cobbs done to show he's "Faulk's next replacement."

    He's run the ball really well, caught the ball out of the backfield and has shown good blitz pickup. I think he cuts like Faulk and is a good "change of pace" back. Don't you agree? You're right he might not get much PT this year unless we have injuries (remember last year?), but he might be worth holding on to anyhow if they think he has upside. He's young and cheap.

    Do you still see Izzo as a "special teams ace"? Honestly, I have been trying to understand his reputation for a couple of seasons now. I look for him on just about every ST play, and I don't get it. I didn't see him as a huge force on ST last year. Did you? What does he do that others can't do that impresses you so much?
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    Agreed...as Reiss even mentioned Mills will also have FB duties. I just don't see the Pats carrying 2 FB's.
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    hey weisuhn, are we talking about clayton?

    i remember him, "little nellie", as a player who could've had a great career if his wife hadn't gotten sick.
    perhaps a forerunner to zach thomas, except ol' clayton was taller and lighter.
    i wonder where he is now...
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    Quite frankly, there are a lot of players who are going to look good like that in the preseason.

    He has seen FIVE QUARTERS of NFL action so far, and at that, he's playing against and with other players who ARE NOT NFL CALIBER PLAYERS.

    You simply CAN NOT say he "runs the ball well" or "is good at picking up the blitz" based off that EXTREMELY LIMITED action.
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    Obvious to me it's the play in the Giants game that will determine whether it's Evans or Cobbs. Both will get ample opportunities and a long hard look by the coaching staff. I think in the long run Cobbs might be the better choice but I want to see him play vs Giant first stringers behind the Pats starting 'O' line not in the fourth quarter against scrubs fighting for a job. We know what Evans can offer the Pats he showed us some of that last year.

    Either way it should be a tough cut. If Cobbs goes to the PS he'll be gone for sure unless he falls flat on his face vs the G-Men.
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    "I mean doesn't a 3rd rounder for Donnie Edwards seem like a no-brainer for the pats?"

    A 3rd Round Pick for a 34 year old, 220 pound LB with a bad back? It's not a no brainer to me.
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