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    This is the kid I want. I'm really hoping they like him over Talib and Jenkins. The great thing is that they can trade down to the Bears at #14 and still get this star corner in the making Rogers-Cromartie. He's a big corner which we so desperatly need to take on the Plaxico's of the world. I hope the Pats like him as much as I do and I hoped they watched the Senior Bowl because he was too good in that game.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    "Draw a defense up for me."

    That's beautiful. Much better than "If you were a tree what type of tree would you be."
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    that would be a lot of fun if they picked this kid.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    lol...yes. much better.:)
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Vernon Gholston would be better.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Gholston won't get past the Jets and Asante is long gone, we need a lockdown corner and Cromartie is a future Pro Bowler. If you didn't happen to see the Senior Bowl, ask anyone how dominant this kid was and he's 6'2", we need tall, big playmaker on the corner plus he's a fantastic return man. He's Antoinio Cromartie's cousin, need any more be said. I'm really fired up about the Pats showing interest in him.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    You don't think Hobbs could single cover a 6'6" receiver on a goaline route?
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Do you take him at #7 or do you trade down and take him? If you trade down you have to have a trading partner and I think that is going to be harder than a lot of people around here think.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    One thing about the Patriots as we've seen with guys like Logan Mankins who Mel Kiper called an absolute reach, the Pats will take the guy where they want to take him. If they like Cromartie at 7, they've shown they'll pull the trigger without feeling like they need to trade down simply because other people might have him in the 14-20 window.

    If Matt Ryan finds a way to make it to 7, watch that phone light up.

    After watching Darren McFadden light up the combine with his electric 4.27 - 40, I can see the Falcons jumping all over him at #3 and then hoping to land Flacco or Woodson with their 2cond pick, that might cause the Matt Ryan slide right down to us at 7.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Why? Do you think the Patriots would actually draft Ryan and put Brady on the trading block.....




    :)
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    It's not like he's Antonio Cromartie
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    IF he's good enough, of course you take him. Who cares what "experts" project him to be. People said Patrick Willis wasn't good enough to be a top 10 pick last year and he proved them wrong by being Defensive Rookie of the Year. Not many people had even heard of Logan Mankins when we took him in the first round, "experts" questioned it, now he's an All Pro Guard. Personally, i don't know enough about him, but if the Pats take him at 7 i trust they're right.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Exactly he's going to be atleast as good and more than likely a tad better than #31.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Well, I'm glad that you have a strong interest in him. In fact, I'm glad that I don't hear the same names over and over again like the Bobby Carpenter bandwagon in '06. And you may be right that this guy is a top flight cornerback. That's why it's always fun to play "scout" and see if your guy turns out to be the real deal. I really like Gholston right now. I know we shouldn't read to much into the combine, but if he runs in the 4.5's and has great shuttle times, he will be the guy I want the Pats to take. My reasoning is, what's the point of having good cornerbacks on your team if you can't get consistant pressure on the QB? Your asking your defensive backs to do too much, especially for a rookie.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Yeah I don't think the Pats would look at him regardless of where he falls in the 1st round. Why would you even suggest that?
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    thats the funnies thing i've read all day
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    I'm glad you have an interest in Gholston, I do too, I just don't think he's getting past the Jets at #6, so if that's the case, the focus has to turn to a lockdown corner to replace Sante with the same production at 1/20th of the price and that guy in my eyes would be Rodgers-Cromartie. Again if you didn't see the Senior Bowl, please ask someone who did watch it or read about the results. Aside from Sedrick Ellis no other guy was as dominate as Cromartie. He would have made more plays, but they rotated the corners and the North never looked in his direction after attempting two passes (1 he made a tremendous vertical pick on just like his cousin Antonio and the other, he had given the WR a 10-yard cushion and still had the ability and speed to close like lightning and break it up) the other was WR screen which he blew up.

    The thing is that because of McFadden's all-world 40 (4.27), I don't think he'll get past the Falcons, this would trigger a Matt Ryan slide to us at #7. Then we could deal with any team (Chicago, Carolina etc), deal the rights to Ryan take Cromartie with their #1 pick and pick up an extra #2 or #3.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    are you new to the internet? do you not know the implied meaning of a ":)"
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    Seriously, anyone who looks, smells and is too boot related to Antonio Cromartie should be a definate consideration.
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    I think we should take a corner in the first round, since it doesn't look like they are going to sign Asante. But Espn is reporting that Zach Thomas is going to Dallas, the linebackers are aging and it is a serious issue. I don't see any great linebackers that they can take in the first round. I think they will trade down and take a corner.
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    I like Rodgers-Cromartie too (put him and Cason as my two favorite CB's for NE), but I wouldn't take him at 7th overall. I don't even want to use the 7th overall pick, especially on a CB.

    He's 6'1.4", not 6'2", and he weighs 184lbs, so he could gain a few pounds at that height. I do believe he could potentially develop into a very good CB, with some added weight though.

    It's not that hard to trade down, if your team goes about it correctly, and their is a good player available. A lot of the teams who've had a hard time trading down in the past wanted to much. The Patriots would take less in pick comp (within reason) in order to get that huge contract off their salary cap. Remember, they don't use the "value chart". And, Pioli has said he doesn't see the value in taking a player in the top ten.

    Mankins was taken at the tail end of round one. There's a lot less risk associated with that pick, so it allows you to take a few more chances.


    Also, a lot of NFL players are related (more than most fans realize), but Antonio's success doesn't at all mean Dominique will have the same level of success. There have been a number of brothers and Cousins who didn't live up to their family name. That's not saying Dominique won't be successful, but his relation to Antonio should be pretty far down your list when evaluating his actual talent/ability.
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    Keep in mind also the Massey and Thaler theorum on "surplus value" which states that the best overall values in the draft are selected from the middle of the first round to the middle of the second round - a range in which the Pats do not currently have a draft pick.
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    Which is more likely the Patriots will trade down even if they don't get fair value according to the "draft pick trade chart".
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    I'm more worried about the level of competition that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie faced throughout his collegiate career. Let's face it, Tennessee State is not in the SEC.
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    Hopes of dropping back into the round are quickly rising especially looking at CB's that could be taken in the mid range.
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    Here's the red flags on Cromartie to me - as mentioned above he's coming from 1-AA, second per nfl.com's scouting report he plays reckless and overconfident at time (we already have an Ellis Hobbs), and he doesn't really strike me as a guy who is obsessed with football like the Pats like. Example - Per Reiss today when meeting with the Pats he drew up a cover two because it was easy.

    Don't you think the Pats would want a CB who wouldn't just draw up something simple? Maybe someone who would draw up his favorite play? Something complicated, at least an attempt to show how much he knows about how a defense works? They look for people who understand the defense as a whole as well as their individual responsibility within that framework.

    I also read through his Q&A on NFL.com. Something about him just rubs me the wrong way. Of course brilliant play will make me forget about that. But you've got to look a few more places than just the Senior Bowl to prove to me that he can be a top-flight NFL corner.
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    I saw enough in the Senior Bowl against the best seniors in the land. You can throw the TSU competition argument out the window, don't penalize this kid for that. Three outstanding NFL caliber plays were all my eyes had to see to tell me what kind of a stud corner this kid is going to turn out to be.
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    Re: Reiss, Pats sit down with Cromartie

    LOL we KNOW he can't. Was that a rhetorical question?

    Dom Cromartie's height and athleticism are certainly intriguing.
    But how is he as a football player?
    Certainly a guy to keep an eye on though. :D
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