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    Per: New England Patriots Blog - Patriots work out some free agents - ESPN Boston

    Interesting to see some kickers getting worked out...can't say I'm exactly surprised by punters.
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    Pago Togafau is the missing piece to the Greatriots puzzle
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    Interesting Barth was a UDFA I believe the same year Gostkowski came out...and didn't Nugent get drafted?? Togafau had a tryout in mini camp 06 with the Pats..he was pretty bad then..but must have been worth it to get a look
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    Yeah he got drafted, he was a legend at OSU :) too bad that injury really threw his kicking game off.
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    We've been doing very well with field control amid piss poor punting
    ... not going to work against better competition and colder weather.
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    I'm guessing the Pats are just updating their Rolodex, so to speak. . . .

    But it's interesting: since Gostkowski won the job in 2006, they haven't even had so much as camp fodder for competition at K.
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    If every team picks a different day to try out kickers and punters, I wonder whether those guys wind up traveling together from team to team.
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    I really liked Danny Lansanah at UConn....I saw him play a couple of times and he is a hard nosed guy that finds the football and just does his job well....I don't know where he would fit in best whether it be OLB or ILB but he was always a favorite of mine....
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    Keep bringing in those punters, Hanson needs to be sent packing.
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    Despite the rhetoric about Hansen, have heard BB defend him more than once... not a big fan of his, but if this is our biggest complaint things are good...
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    I hate to agree with DarrylS (about anything) but I think he is right here. Hansen has been putrid at best at punting, but the one thing that I think keeps him around is his holding skills. If you have the Titans game on DVD, take a look at the FG and XP snaps, the one on the missed filed goal was way off, and Hansen did a great job just getting it down, and for some reason most of the snaps that day were a little iffy and Hansen did a great job getting them down. I think we can all agree it will be much more important in the end to make sure that the Pats can get a FG when they really need it, instead of a ten extra yards on their punts.

    I doubt BB wants to change holders at this point, which may have more to do with Hansen still be here, than anything else.
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    If you recall, that was the main reason Ken Walter stuck around for as long as he did. His punting was horrific.
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    I'm sure BB has his reasons for keeping Hanson. I do sometimes wish we had a punter that could make a real difference in the field position war for those really tight games we will soon be experiencing.

    I find it ineresting that the players worked out are K, P, LB, and TE

    Is that because our depth is weakest in those positions or because of mild injuries to players on our teams at those positions or am I reading to much into it?
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    You are spot on IMO...
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    I liked Lansanah, too. He had good size and seemed to get to the right places on D. Not a great pro day, though (4.72 40, slow shuttles - scroll near the bottom): Pro day workout updates

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    Hanson cannot kick a football for distance. If he could, he would

    outkick his coverage. Apparently, he also cannot kick to the left

    or right so many of his kicks go in the end zone.
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    BB addressed this topic at length. Said that the pro game stopped kicking left, right coffin corner years ago. The current pro kicking paradigm calls for kicking the ball high, and having it dead cat bounce up or backwards with your gunners making a play. Where Hanson has failed is that on kicks towards the EZ, he has kicked the ball such that it bounces too far fwd.

    I watched a play Sunday where he dropped the ball inside the 10. The Tamper PR signalled fair catch and two Patriots mistakenly stopped dead in their tracks and watched the ball bounce up and roll into the EZ. Had they continued fwd to the player as they should have, either one would have been able to down it inside the 5. Maybe they were hoping he'd field the punt and drop it.
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    Yeah, thats why. What if he gets injured? They have no list to work from.
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    Hanson can be brilliant at times. But then he can come back and boom 2 straight punts into the end zone from midfield or hit a 35 yarder with no hangtime. Far too inconsistent for my liking but apparently BB likes something about the guy.
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    I agree with you and remember those discussions.

    However, its not only the bounce forward issue... a lot of times his punts actually land in the endzone rather than inside the 10. I'm not going to rehash the specifics of that punting thread here, but suffice to say, Hanson does not have a very good success rate of pinning the opponent... his overal numbers are very good, but his percentage of success (# of times he pins them vs # of opportunities where he was within range to do so) is not good. Over the last 2 seasons, he has had more opportunities to pin the opponent than any other punter in the league, so his raw numbers are good.

    Still, I've conceeded that BB is sticking with him and I'm sure there are valid reasons (his skill at holding among them).
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    And that is good enough for me. Besides all specialists live with the knowleddge that any failure could be their last.

    Keep adding the speed dial punter numbers BB.
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    Tony Curtis is a lock, BB won't be able to fight his obsession with the TE.
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    I have never really liked Hanson untill this year! I went to two games so far and since Im a special teams coach I had my eye on Hanson and Ghost. What I learned from my observation is Hanson can boom it High and Sam Aiken has the speed to get down field and down it, I think it was Aiken who downed Denver deep in their own territory!
    Also Hanson and Ghost seemed to get along really really well so that could have something to do with it!
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    This statement is an interesting study in faulty logic.

    Yes, it is better to make FGs than get 10 extra yards on punts, but to therefore conclude that it is better to lose 10 yards per punt so as to make sure some bad snaps are converted does not follow.

    How many bad snaps that would not have been saved by an average punter. There have been few bad snaps, and an average punter should have handled the ones I saw, but say there are one or two bad snaps a season that would result in a missed FG without good reactions by the holder. (That is excessive - there aren't 32-64 missed FGs a year in the NFL due to bad snaps) Of the one or two a season, how many of those snaps if not handled would actually have affected the outcome of the game?

    And why is it assumed that Hanson is the only punter in the universe who can adjust to an errant snap?

    Another flaw in the statement: the extra ten yards is not nearly as important as pinning the opponent inside the 10 yard line, Hanson's biggest failure.

    So rather than lose 10 yards per punt and not pin the opponent inside the game, why not just get a punter who can do those two things AND adjust to a bad snap?
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    With the possible exception of long snapper, all of these positions

    may be positions of need in 2010. The Patriots may choose not to

    give Gostowski a Vinatieri-like salary. They might draft another kicker

    or take a chance on a free agent or undrafted player. Hanson will be

    a last minute re-signing or not re-signed at all. Here again, bring a couple

    of punters to training camp. The hang-up in signing Ingram last year was

    the Patriots wanted to split the bonus money between 2009 and 2010.

    The Patriots can cancel out part of the bonus money by cutting Ingram.
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    There are three reasons to bring in free agents now.
    1) There is time to do so without disrupting game planning.
    2) There could be an emergency need this season because of injury.
    3) Belichick is always looking for 2010 competitors. He will sign on JAG free agents for 2010 as soon as he is allowed to do so.
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    Scary thing is the word out of camp in 06 was Gramatica was favored to win the starting position and lost out at the last minute :eek:
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