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Is that a good draft position for us in the first?
I would have liked a 32nd pick, but yea - Bill will like that.
The Wild Card is what will Cassel get us - High First? And then what will Billerio do with that pick.
23rd is a crappy position for a team that didn't make the playoffs, but when you consider that we went 11-5, you realize that it could have been worse. We should be picking 19th. Only 4 spots back from where we should be, so it's not the end of the world.
agreed. Its like the Pats are being punished for not making the playoffs. But im sure this has happened to other teams in the past. Its just the first time its happening to the Pats. So as BB would say: "It is what it is".
23rd isn't bad. It could be worse.
in 2008 the Steelers got Mendenahall
in 2007 the Chiefs got Dwayne Bowe
in 2006 the Bucs got Davin Joseph
in 2005 the Raiders got Fabian Washington
in 2004 the Seahwaks got Marcus Tubbs
Ok not exactly the most memorable picks... but it depends on how good a team's scouting department is too. There are plenty of strong late 1st picks and the Pats usually draft well in the 1st round regardless.
Was Ty Law the 23rd pick?
Yes he was, in the 1995 NFL draft. I hadn't thought about that.
No worries didn't we get someone's second for trading down last year, and we will most likely get another first for Cassel. All is Good in Pats land
As long as it's not a TE - RB or WR, i hope the new guy Nick Cesario can buck Pioli's horrible trend in the Offensive department.
So what exactly is the thinking behind rotating the picks? That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It's a pretty goos spot to be picking in this year. There should be a number of solid LB/CB/OL to choose from. The one position I do not see available at that spot is safety.
Sadly .. id be tempted to use one of those lower picks to move up and pick up William Moore and hope Barwin, Simtim, Cushing is still availabe in the 2nd
We all went 11-5 so why should we pick first in every round? excpet that we didn't make the playoffs which they don't care about. but if all 11-5 teams made the playoffs and none made the SB it would only be fair that they rotate.
We should be able to do very well in this draft. Could possibly have 2 first rounder and 2 second rounders...nice
I think we need OLBs more than any other position in this draft.
Vrabel will soon be transitioning into a rotation with Mayo and Guyton.
Adalius is getting older. We don't know what we have with Woods and Crable.
I'd go for the OLB who can get off the edge and create some mayhem.
Mankins, Moss, and Welker say hi.
Why are people projecting Vrabel inside now? If he has lost a step as so many claim, why would you play him at a position where he would be "less" effective? Whom do you project to play OLB in his place? Puzzled minds would like to understand?
At OLB you need to have speed and quickness to be able to get to the QB as well as excel in coverage. At ILB it is more about reading the play and finding your gaps which is more about smarts then athletic ability. I think that's why most (me inculded) expect him to transition to ILB. He has the smarts, but he just can't keep up in open space anymore.
I don't see anything wrong with what you said...that's the reason why Pittsburgh is in the Super Bowl...Edge Pressure! I want the Patriots to try and get Everette Brown or Aaron Maybin either would solve our problems.
On Moss and Welker i know we traded picks for them and loved the move for both players. I was just talking about the BB/Pioli Offensive Drafts...they have hit on quite a few Busts in that department...ie Bethel Johnson - Chad Jackson - Ben Watson - Laurence Maroney and Dave Thomas just to name a few.
He's played there before, been decent, and that's clearly a position that requires braun for stacking up the run, anticipation, and smarts. That'S Mike VRABEL RIGHT THERE.
Hopefully not Maybin. I'm a big PSU fan. The young man is not strong, and he's not ready. He's Shawn Crable with stronger legs, but upper body needs mucho work.
I'm afraid I don't see the argument. Open space isn't what NE's 3-4 LBs are about, Vrabel has his own gaps to manage. The complaint that Vrabes has lost a step on the pass rush may have some validity, but I think there are at least two mitigating factors: 1. Bru was no longer a pass rushing threat from ILB and Mayo & Guyton were rookies. That affects the "mystery" element for the offense when predicting where the pass rush is coming from. 2. The unconfirmed report of a shoulder injury (which I tend to believe based on my observations of Vrabe's struggle setting the edge on the defensive right vs. the job he was able to do on the defensive left). Moving Vrabes inside isn't like moving a CB to S because he's lost a step, it just moves him to where he'll be less effective than he was outside. If he's that bad cut him (and I'm not expecting him to be cut).
He has played there and took ILB reps in certain situations last season, and I agree about the ability to stack & shed, but he's much less instinctive inside, which becomes a trade-off where I don't see the value. Additionally, if he has lost the step people are complaining about, he becomes a two-down LB, and I again don't see the improvement against the run over a much more instinctive Bruschi.
Box_O_Rocks get off your soap box TE's were blocking Mike Vrabel effectively last year...that was unheard of in 2007 and even before that. The man has lost a step on the Outside not good for a OLB. We have gotten alot out of Mike he's just not a Starter anymore. OLB Clint Sintim is a fine prospect to replace Vrabel.
Fine, when NE drafts Sintim (and I'm on record wanting him) then you can cut Vrabel. Until then I need people to quite whining about how much he sucks and start telling me how to improve on his roster slot. Prior to drafting Sintim - who on the present roster is a better option at OLB? If NE drafts S William Moore in round one, can they still get Sintim in the 2nd? What does NE do if BB chooses an OT or a CB in round one? Sintim is the only kid in this draft whom I see capable of taking significant reps as a rookie. If NE doesn't get him, who is the starter penciled in at OLB?
I like his soap box. Makes his arguments that much clearer.
And he likes Clint Sintim too so what's your point?
Look for the Pats to get a veteran OLB in FA to compete with Vrable,I dont see a rookie taking Mike's place - Not in a BB defense who frowns on rookies making an immediate impact - Mayo was a rare exception
Your gentle and kindly remarks left me hard pressed to approach this as a civil exchange of viewpoints. I'm projecting, but I believe Clonamery felt a similar aggravation with the "soap box" remark in the midst of vigorous debate. :confused2:
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