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    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

    Nice to have actual football observations.

    He has good things to say about Mayo.

    Hobson calling the plays.

    Ventrone and Slater playing 2 way.

    Tank of a LB

    Good things to say of Guitirez

    Dave Thomas here even though it was for new players....guess he is still new:D
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    I think I am most interested to hear how Drago was punting the ball.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    To me this is one of the most fun times of the off season; beginning to find out which new players look like they are going to fit in. The quarterback situation is looking interesting as well. I am really looking forward to see whether Gutierrez will continue to perform well and give Cassel a run for his money.
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    I like the emphasis on d-back/linebacker hybrid play. Very interesting stuff. Also interesting that Tank and Mayo are about the same size.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    Although it is good to hear about some actual football, I never get overly excited about what happens in minicamp.

    I do expect Tank Williams to take over a lot of Rodney's roles so that Rodney can be used more sparingly. He was overused last year and he uncharacteristically gave up too many plays. Williams was a guy I wanted the Pats to go after two years ago. He is the second year back from a big injury and could be a player for a big turnaround.

    I have always been high on Hobson. I thought the guy had the physical tools to be a pretty good LB in the Belichick scheme, but was totally misused in New York. He is not a full-time OLB (maybe not even a parttime one). I think his skill set and build will actually allow him to excell inside. The Jets could look back at the end of the season and not only wonder how they could have let Vilma go, but also Hobson.
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    Good to see Mayo can move fluidly in pass coverage as that was supposed to be one of the knocks on him coming out of college. Slater dropping an INT didn't bother me because he was in the position to make an INT and, if he couldn't make it, he deflected the pass anyway. Slater is going to be one of the more interesting rookie stories to me once the season rolls around.
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    Big Nickle.....BB has been swiming that channel for years.
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    I dunno, I think that would have been, you know, about 90 days ago or so. :)

    Seriously, though, I don't know what's going to happen one way or the other, but not much would surprise me as far as this story goes.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    OK. . . . this is starting to weird me out almost as much as learning that Notre Dame wanted Clay Buchholz to play wide receiver for them. :eek:

    But, seriously, it seems a little strange for a player who's basically only been used on ST so far.
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah :D Seeing him on the field reinforces it somewhat :)
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    I believe it was one of their minor league managers who said this, but supposedly Buccholz can outrun Ellsbury. Ellsbury has said he can run a 4.2 forty.
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    Not to drag this too far OT, but I believe that (A) Buchholz's been timed at 4.32, and (B) Buchholz and Ellsbury were specifically forbidden from racing one another, out of fear that they might injure themselves in the process. :)

    Needless to say, it's a bit funny to think "TD, Buchholz" or "TD, Ellsbury", or, for that matter, Brady catching for a no-hitter. :)
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    I agree. For some reason, Slater is the pick that intrigues me most. I guess because it was so out of nowhere. Hopefully he's the new Troy Brown jack-of-all-trades.
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    Ah, good stuff. Man, I am so ready to get back to following camp and talking football.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    But if Slater can't return KOs, then he'll be another wasted draft pick. I don't understand why the FO would give away its 7th-rounder to move up in the 5th round to take a guy who would almost certainly have been available as a UDFA. After all, Larry Izzo has been one of the better STers over the last dozen years, and he went undrafted.

    And comparing him with Troy Brown does a great disservive to Troy, one of the all-time Patriots and a highly productive, if under-recognized, WR during his time at Marshall.

    And let's hope that the drops suffered by Slater, Wilhite and Sam Aiken during yesterday's session are just aberrations, and not the continuations of trends already established by those three at their previous destinations.
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    Hobson will be the surprise of camp. Not that he should be, but a guy, fairly ready to jump in the position of most need, is being overlooked.

    This is not based on personal observation though.
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    We went after Izzo. He was not undrafted to us.

    People need to realize it's situational. A 5th rounder is very unlikely to make the team at most positions. If we pick up a special teams captain, that's a value for a pick that would have been cut for the Jets roster.

    Players are not sacks of wheat at a dry goods store.
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    Hobson and Williams are intriguing, both are essentially playing for a contract, have played well elsewhere and both have a ton of upside.. Williams has been a guy who if injury free can make a big difference on this team.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    How many return men have significant trouble translating those skills to the NFL? That's one of the last things I'd worry about.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    We don't know this. There were what, 70-80 picks left after Matt Slater? All it takes is one team in the late 7th who also liked him a little bit and the chance is gone. Not to mention there's no guarantee we're the first ones to get to him once he's a free agent.

    The Patriots are good at evaluating talent, but to think it likely that NO other team could have possibly been targeting this guy for the same reasons the Pats were is a dangerous assumption.
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    Slater could go three ways. He has the speed and the hitting ability to return kicks, he has the speed and can be taught the proper footwork to be a "Darren Sproles" in our offense, and he can line up as a cornerback on the defense. Give him a chance before you're down on him. He has to learn CB, obviously, but he will do it. The Patriots specialize in players that can go two or three ways. Plus, the guy has very little experience playing CB. And, like I said, if they didn't intercept it, they at least batted the ball down.
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    Lots of people seem to think they know more than the front office does. Might Slater have been available later or as an UDFA ? Maybe. But Belichick also knows a heck of a lot more than what we do - he probably had a feel from the UCLA coaches how much interest there was or wasn't in the guy. Then you have to play a little value game - what are you giving up vs. how much do you want to make sure you get the guy. Clearly giving up a #7 was worth the insurance - and we still had what looks like a solid UDFA class. People who complain would probably have been fine if we'd drafted Drago in the 7th round.

    All you have to do is look at the returners around the league, and the impact they have, to be intrigued. Maybe Slater is cut - no biggie, we took a shot. But he had very impressive #s in college in his limited chances - I wouldn't take that trade or pick back; Slater is well worth a shot there.
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    I agree...if a team waits..they can lose..I would RATHER draft a player that has something special than just waiting and ASSUMING that another team doesn't see the same thing. NOT at all bad..I do think it's interesting that both Slater and Ventrone (Andrws even) may be sort like what I think they were trying to do with Childress.....what Troy Brown was...and NO I am only using Troy as an example as he was incredibly versatile, playing O, D and STs. Having that versatility MAY save a place here there.. I love that idea!!!
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    And if all that fails we can always make him a LT.
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    A lettuce and tomato?
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    Wow. Tell me how you really feel? Haha.

    My Troy Brown comparison was meant more the Twilight Troy, who played WR5, dime back and return game. If Slater can work as a lower rung WR, backup S, gunner & return guy, he'd be offering similar versatility to what Troy did in his last days.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    Perhaps we are on the cusp of NFL teams drafting for special teams. Parcells noted last year that in the past, the rookies played special teams while transitioning to starters (Merriweather). However, today's contracts and cap drives them into the starting lineup. Therefore, special teams are made up of guys who are there for financial not athletic reasons.

    If you look at the number of games that are decided by special teams in 2007, it might be safe to bet that "special teams" will become a specialty and might warrant picks in the 4th or even 3rd round.
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    Re: Reiss' 5 from mini camp

    Stephen Gostkowski, Adam Podlesh, and Daniel Sepulveda all say hi, and Devin Hester says "might warrant a fourth?" :D
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    Special team players CAN BE special..and be drafted..usually kickers..punters and super return guys like Hester...I see NO problem with using a 2nd day pick for an ST player...
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