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    According to Reiss' Twitter. Obviously they had first waiver priority. Schefter also said the Packers were expected to put a claim in, and obviously the Chiefs (3rd priority) probably put one in too.

    The Lions just signed a QB today too, Brooks Bollinger.
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    Might not be an awful situation for O'Connell. Culpepper, Bollinger and a rookie as his competition? Damn, wouldn't be shocked if he starts a couple games this season.
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    Seems like we could have and should have gotten a pick for this guy. What am I missing?
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    Agreed but this is the last time I'll say it and I'll move on - I realize we would have traded him if we could but I simply cannot believe we couldn't get SOMETHING.
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    Heck, maybe Pioli figured, "I'm sure we'll get him. . . ."

    It's possible that everyone figured, "WTF? There must be something wrong here."
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    I'm guessing Detroit claimed him thinking they'll be able to trade him for something, but then that begs the question how were the Pats not able to get anything for him? I mean, no one would give up a 2012 7th round pick!?
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    There are only two possbilities.
    OPTION 1) No one offered as much as a 2012 7th.
    OPTION 2) The staff is so incompetent that they didn't bother trying to get a pick for him.

    If Detroit trades O'Connell to someone else for a pick in the next two weeks, then Belichick should fire one of his staff.

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    Why would anyone offer a draft pick for the lousy quarterback

    we saw perform in Friday night's game? O'Connell was a late third

    round draft pick who was drafted ahead of two or three higher rated

    quarterbacks. Admit it, the Patriots simply goofed on this pick.
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    THe more I think about it the more I think this was a personnel issue. The quick release possibly serves two purposes- one, to wake up the team (because there was more lackluster effort from the 2nd/3rd string in the last ps game). Two, because O'Connell just did not make the crucial transition any QB needs to do between their first and 2nd year.

    You will remember how BB used to just yank Brady out of situational football and throw Cassel in to see if he could figure out what was going on and what he had to do in a split second. Come to think of it, I did see one or two instances during training camp where O'Connell was thrown into the scrimmage and failed to get on the same page as the corp he was throwing to.
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    I.e., it was more important for them to suddenly waive him for effect than it was for them to seek a 7th rounder or some similar trade.
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    So, Belichick gave up a 6th or 7th round draft pick to get the backups to play better in the 4th preseason game?

    I agree with Jim. O'Connell was worth squat on the open market.

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    Reiss reports the Chiefs did not put a claim on O'C. The Jets, Broncos, and Browns were the only other teams to.
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    Again, why trade for something when you can get it for free...
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    If you expect to be the only potential team of interest, then it makes sense to wait.
    If you are indifferent enough not to care if someone else signs him, then wait.
    If he is not worth at least a 7th to you, then wait.

    If you expect another team to be interested, and he is worth at least a 7th to you, then you should pay the 7th and secure the player.

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    On WEEI today (for those of you too objective to listen) they explained what happened and guess what, it's the same damn thing some of us were preaching here since last season. Backup QB's aren't supposed to try to impress in pre season. They are supposed to execute. This kid couldn't even get a knee right. Curren made the point that when coaches review game and practice tape they see what might have been (and perhaps should have been). Maybe KOC (and Gutz last season) engineer a scoring drive while not making one correct read or throw. That isn't what they're looking for. That's crap luck. You don't win championships because you're lucky. You win because you're disciplined and good.

    KOC might be capable of achieving some level of success based on pluck and luck. Just not gonna happen here.

    They all have an adequate arm or they wouldn't be here.

    Cassel showed he had wheels his rookie season. His second, third and fourth he showed he had brains, too. As did Brady. KOC was no Cassel let alone Brady.

    Thing is you never really know because projecting from college to the pros at that position is a crap shoot.
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    Must mean the injuries to Culpepper and the other guy are more serious??

    Good luck to you Okee!!!
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    I can't really think of a non-star player who Belichick cut abruptly, who then went on to become good. Can you?

    Doesn't look too good for O'Connell's future if Belichick doesn't want him, the same objective coach willing to draft and keep a different QB who never started in college.
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    Or, if you can get a player who you know will make the roster for a 7th rounder and don't make the trade, then you have overvalued draft chocies.

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    From New England to Detroit? Eesh, that's like getting dumped by Megan Fox and picked up by Rosie O'Donnell.
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    He could also be gone from Detroit in a matter of days. That's the beauty of finishing 0fer. First dibs on guys who cost nothing to claim and as a second year player he doesn't vest all season therefore if you cut him after the season starts you don't owe him a dime. beyond the week before he was cut.
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    I have to agree here. It seemed pretty fast - his release. A team like the Bills might have given up something - 6th or 7th - they have zip at the position. Of course, trading in the division would be a bit of a stretch - but - they bit on Drew!
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    If it was simply that KOC wasn't going to fit, the team still could have worked to coach him up for the 4th preseason game to try and attract a potential trade partner.

    The abruptness of his departure makes me think there was something attitude-wise that may eventually leak over to others on the team. We may never know, but it was an odd move from the FO, so I think there's more to it than the guy just didn't develop.
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    BB kept Cassel during the brutal pre season last year, and he hadn't played since HS. BB saw something.

    BB drafted KOC, the kid doesn't have it, if he had it even 65% as good as Cassel in his first year, he'd be here. But he didn't

    As for BB screwing up the drafting, let me know when it becomes a science, and let me know if you can name more then two teams that have drafted better then BB since he got here. You can't because just the Steelers and Colts have done better, and neither one of those have handled FA's (both leaving and coming) anywhere near as well as the Pats.

    Easy to be a critic, not one person here could handle BB's job for a week.
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    He was a minimum salary player, and still only four teams put in a waiver claim for him. That's 4 teams interested in taking him without compensation.

    Why on earth would we expect that teams would have been willing to give up picks?
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    It's not clear any team was willing to trade picks for O'Connell. The fact a few teams were willing to take him off waivers without giving up picks, doesn't mean he had trade value.

    There are many other instances of QB's in this league who have been cut or released, who actually played decently in real games, with the original team getting nothing in return through a trade.
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