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    Reiss takes a look at the D...

    and the O

    Interesting stuff.

    My gf decided that recording Heroes was more important than me getting to rewatch a Patriots game (funny how her interest in the Pats has declined since Brady went down...), so I only have the 2nd half recorded.

    I'm more interested in seeing how they started the game though, as I remember that the heavy rotations of defensive players started early and often. One might look at those #s and think it had something to do with the blowout, but I know its not the case.

    Does anyone here remember or have the desire to go back and see what our nickel package - which according to Reiss was used against their base offense - looked like the other nite, personnel wise?

    In terms of the offense, I love that we're using 2TE more. I hope this carries over for when Brady is back, it could make the offense that much more effective. It seems to combat the so-called "blueprint" that the Giants carried out. Granted, the Broncos D sucks, and sucks quite a bit, so maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    Well, a simple way to gauge things is to count up snaps for DBs, LBs, and DLs:

    DB: 292 snaps
    LB: 220 snaps
    DL (including "TE" Ty Warren :D ): 133 snaps

    Although this only adds up to 645 snaps, not the 660 it should, it's fairly obvious that the Pats spent a lot of time in nickel formations, usually removing one of the DLs to do it.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings


    your gf doesn't know they play full episodes of heroes at nbc.com/Heroes...
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    LOL. Actually that's me, I hate watching stuff online when you could watch it on a TV. I spend 8+ hours a day staring at a computer screen, of all things editing video, the thought of sitting at a computer and watching more video when I get back often makes me want to throw up. For some reason, I find TV viewing acceptable.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    It was very interesting to me to see that UDFA Gary Guyton

    was in on 31 of 60 defensive snaps. BB commented that Guyton

    was improving very quickly for a rookie. Maybe, the Pats have

    Tedy Bruschi's replacement already in place.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    Good call. OK, so it was likely a 2-4-5 they were often in, then? When they went dime, an LB would come off for an extra DB...that'd make sense.

    One thing I noticed was a little more pressure up the middle from the LBs, Guyton, Bruschi, Mayo on a play or two. Not a lot, but more than any other week.

    Mayo's role in coverage has remained the same, he basically spies the RB, but the Broncos were keeping the RB in for blocking a lot.

    AD again in on every snap, I maintain he's our defensive MVP so far simply for his versatility.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    More snaps for Guyton than Bruschi...
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    I'm hoping so. SILB was going to be high on my list of draft needs going into April 09, but Guyton is making it look less and less important. He is big and has great size, and looks like he knows what he is doing out there.

    I wonder if Ruud will ever provide some depth at ILB, he's the rookie I know least about, and have the least expectations for.
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    Belichick seems to really like Guyton, on BB's WEEI interview he went out of his way to mention the fumble recovery Guyton had and seemed more excited about it thant he "right place at the right time" that it looked like to me.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    Probably a DL, not LB; the snap ratio works out to about 2 DL:4 LB:5 DB.
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    Right, for the nickel, but when they went 6DB, then it'd be 2-3-6?
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    Re: Reiss: Defensive snapshot & Positional groupings

    But Bruschi did whisper in Rodney's ear. Awarded 3 bonus snaps. Snap Snap Snap
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    Probably, although I do remember the MNF crewwww saying that the Pats had plays with just one DL.
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    BTW--Reiss updated his numbers.

    The revised totals:
    DL = 136 = 2.27 avg/play
    LB = 225 = 3.75 avg/play
    DB = 299 = 4.98 avg/play [159 CB, 140 S]

    In other words, the "base alignment" for this game seems to have been the nickel defense, with a CB or S replacing the third DL.
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    Really nice to see that they are integrating Guyton, Richardson and how many snaps Mayo is getting.. bringing this new blood into this mix is a very good thing..

    Guyton continues to amaze me..
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    "My gf decided that recording Heroes was more important than me getting to rewatch a Patriots game (funny how her interest in the Pats has declined since Brady went down...), so I only have the 2nd half recorded."

    Clearly, you need a new TV or a new girlfriend. :) Kidding.
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    With Richardson and Wilhite getting playing time you have to wonder what the deal is with Wheatley not making the game day roster most weeks.
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    Boy do I ever wonder that. I thought he had a good camp.
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    Me too I thought he would be the starter.
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    THE TWO SURPRISES
    O'Neal played every defensive play.
    Guyton played more than Bruschi.
    =========================
    ALL 60
    Thomas
    O'Neal !!!!!
    J. Sanders

    41-60
    Mayo
    Vrabel
    Meriweather

    31 -40
    Harrison
    Seymour
    Hobbs
    Warren
    Guyton !!!!!!!!!!!
    Wilfork

    21-30
    Bruschi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Wilhite
    Richardson

    11-20
    Wright
    Smith
    L. Sanders
    Woods
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    Looking at the offense #s around a third of the plays #44 was in there at FB. If you re-watch the game note how much Evans played better as a lead blocker. He was outstanding in that role. Coincidence that the run game improved? (Yes, I know the Donk's D blows chunks)
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    BB had a right to be excited about Guyton's FR/Int (however they score it), he was rushing inside, saw the ball in the air, pushed the blocker to the side and made the grab picking up a couple more yards in the process. A thing of beauty from being aware of the ball to fighting through the block to corralling the ball to tucking it away and gaining positive ground. The kid is coming on strong.

    Pierre Woods only had 11 reps, but he made his presence felt in limited action.

    On another LB note: Vince Redd was one of the black jerseys in today's practice. That's twice now if I'm not mistaken. :D
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    You made a comment a few weeks back in another thread essentially getting at the fact that LB may not be an overwhelming need come draft time in April. I'm starting to agree more and more. Mayo is starting and faring pretty well, Guyton is getting more and more snaps each week, Redd is winning practice player of the week, Crable had a good preseason and is understandably inactive for games, and Woods is playing well in a limited role. I don't know anything about Bo Ruud, but with AD signed through 2011, the future of our LB corp looks pretty nice.
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    Good point - Reiss posted the #s one time, but LoMo's production was better when running behind Evans.

    And yes, the Broncos D blows, but I'm cautiously optimistic that the running game's sudden emergence wasn't all b/c of their suckiness, but in part due to Neal's return, and the 2TE formations.
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    Belichick commented on this on EEI last Monday, and he basically said that Wilhite has been practicing as a slot defender and Wheatley on the outside. With Hobbs playing at a high level, and O'Neal playing well aside from the Chargers game, the outside corner position is in good shape. Whereas with the nickel and dime packages, and with Lewis Sanders banged up, Wilhite sees the field more often.
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    Aw shucks, y'all must be thinking of some other box of rocks' linebacker analysis. :D
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