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    BB did a very good job of rotating his defensive players in this game and keeping them fresh. The Colts probably thought that our guys would wear down like they did last year.
    Limiting the snaps of the front seven worked. Good Job BB. :rocker:
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    Only problem with Adalius is that he is playing hurt - - he ran like Yastrzemski circa 1982 at the tale end of that Addai TD. The bye comes at a GREAT time for him (and Ben Watson BTW). If those two can come back in 2 weeks healthy, look out. We'll be debating "running up the score" for the rest of the season.

    Regarding Meriwether. Bad news. Bad news.
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    How is that "ouch"?

    Rookie defenders typically don't see much time or make a huge impact on this team. Combine that with the fact that safety is one of the deepest positions and you can draw your own conclusions. Meriweather is playing on STs coverage units.

    It also appears that James Sanders has a lock on one of the safety positions. Atta boy.

    You probably had the same reaction during Warren's first year.
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    2nd round draft choice Eugene Wilson says hi!
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    Apparently you don't know the meaning of the word "typically."

    If it were a necessity, I have little doubt he would be on the fast track.
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    I don't know but I recall Gay and Hobbs playing plenty early on as Pats players.

    My concern is that JAG Baker is playing ahead of Meriweather this late into the season.
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    Yep, that does remind me a little bit of UDFA Mike Wright vs. 2nd-rounder Marquise Hill (may he rest in peace).
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    Right, and the depth IIRC was pretty thin at those spots. If we didn't have any safeties, I'd think we'd be seeing Meriweather a lot more.

    You may also be underestimating Baker.
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    2nd rounder, CB converted to Safety within one week, started the entire season and played better than he has played ever since.

    versus

    1st rounder, Safety playing his own position seeing 1 snap out of 65 (and not a heck of a lot more in the other games) while someone named Rashad Baker had 16 more snaps in his place.
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    I don't want to read too much into it either however I would like to see him out there more. Eugene Wilson played right from the begining. Granted we are a bit more stacked than his rookie year but it is dissapointing that BM hasn't passed Baker in the PT department.
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    Again, you're missing the key point here. If we didn't have ridiculous depth, it may very well be a different story.

    It is a bit hysterical how quick some are to overreact on this forum.
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    Folks are kidding themselves if they do not read something awry in the lack of PT for Merry. BB believes in rotation. He wants fresh players at every position where feasible. Apparently it is not feasible to play Merry at CB (note that Gay was in there EVERY down) or at safety where Baker has apparently exceeded expectations. Same was true in the Skins game. Originally I just thought BB was bringing him along slowly but this season with the blowouts there has been PLENTY of opportunity to insert a rook into the D. It hasn't happened. There must be something that is NOT happening during the weekly practises.

    And if the next rationale is STs, I noticed that everyone's cut bait Eckle made a huge ST tackle Sunday.
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    It's quite possible that he's been slow to develop at the NFL level. I just don't think we can read much into the situation at this point.
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    Everybody develops at a different rate. Maybe by the end of the season, this discussion will be irrelavent. Who knows? We are all still waiting for Maroney and Chad Jackson to break out. Maybe we should all practice a little patience.
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    Well, Wilson is now out.

    I saw Baker toil in the Bills secondary for a couple years. It wasn't pretty.
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    That's ALL I'm reading into it. But that is not very good if so. He's a 1st round pick.
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    Well if last game is any indication we can read that he's not ahead of journeyman safety (Baker) at this stage of the game.
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    So? Plenty of 1st round picks take time to develop. And thankfully, we have that luxury.
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    Most important thing isn't
    did Wright beat out Hill? or Baker beat out Meriweather.

    Main point is
    Coach found a guy who can do the job.
    Don't matter where he found him.
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    I'm not sure what to think. He actually got into games during Rodney's suspension. Quite a bit of time in one game (Cincinnati?). Looked active and around the ball. Possibly a little wild, which is obviously a killer in games that matter. Maybe he needed to "unlearn" some things from the U which set him back.

    As for Baker, I don't see this as necessarily related to Meriweather. If you get it and show it in practice, you will get some time on the field. I see it as Baker earning time, not being a default guy with Meriweather not being ready.
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    PRECISELY the point. The only time he got any PT was because we were out of bodies at the position. Can't beat out JAG Baker. This is NOT typical for a 1st rounder, not even on the Patriots and especially not given the HUGE leads we've had in most games.
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    That works if Baker is a starting-caliber S for next season, which is obviously the plan in spending a 1st-round pick on Meriweather.
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    That's because the Pats were literally out of corners at the time. When the only other option is Hank Poteat, you can bet your ass that Randall Gay will play.
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    I agree. The homer ism on this board at times is ridiculous. Around here first round choices get at least several years to develop. Who cares if other first rounders are contributing of the bat, right?

    Didn't you know , Jackson is going to develop in 2012
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    Would you rather have Meriweather start out slow and come on strong like Warren did or start out fast and then regress like Wilson did? WAY too early to declare Meriweather a bust or anything at this point.
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    Well, the Pats are playing Baker so a strong case can be made that they are out of safeties too.

    Yet Meriweather sits!
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    Maroney and Chad Jackson (btw a 2nd rounder) in their rookie years with injuries played 20 times more snaps in their first nine games than Brandon Meriwether.

    I'm not saying Meriwether is a bust. Not at all. Different players take different amounts of time to develop. But a first rounder taking a back seat to Rashad Baker in the ninth game of the season, with Eugene Wilson out, is not a good beginning at all.
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