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    From Ben Stein:

    My confession:

    I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejewelled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

    It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, “Merry Christmas” to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a crib, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

    I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

    Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

    In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

    Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her: “How could God let something like this happen?” (regarding Hurricane Katrina). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said: “I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?”

    In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbour as yourself. And we said OK.

    Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

    Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

    Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

    Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

    Are you laughing yet?

    Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

    Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

    Pass it on if you think it has merit.

    If not, then just discard it.... no one will know you did. But if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.

    My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

    Ben Stein
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    Ben Stein is a moron and should be shunned publicly rather than celebrated as some authority on anything.

    Begin watching this at 4:00 min. The stubborn wrongness on part of Stein is stunning.

    Apologize to Peter Schiff - YouTube
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    people miss the target sometimes.....but WTF does his opinion on subprimes have to do with religion?
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    Athiests have quite a bit to say about christians and their traditions and habits I would find it very interesting to hear an Athiest speak their views on Islam and it's traditions and habits, Ahtiests always seem to ignore and look the other way when it comes to Muhammad, Muslims and Their Religion.

    Muslims are very devout when it comes to "God" are they not?
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    The Jewish in-law part of my family loves Christmas ... they celebrate it with us ... sing Christmas carols on xmas eve with us. It's a small sample for sure but it's the holiday part of it that they like ... the family, lights, food, presents etc... They also do Hanukkah ... my nephews got both every year.

    The concept that one religion cannot join another religion in their celebration is really kid of crazy. I've celebrated Hanukkah and the Passover with them ... if I lived in the Middle East i'd celebrate theirs with them also as a sign of respect. I don't think God (if he exists) would be mad at anyone for celebrating the religion of another with them ... bet he would even like that. Celebrate Ramadan or the Hajj if there were Muslims in the family ... another celebration ... it's all good.
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    Ben Stein thinks that the Theory of Evolution is that lightning struck a puddle of mud.

    I don't care what he has to say about anything.

    Hurricane Katrina because people don't want God in schools? Wow. Maybe if he actually went to school he might understand how hurricanes form.

    Low-pressure weather systems? You can't explain that!
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    I'm an athiest.

    I think Islamic views on Homosexuality, Equality for women, capital punishment etc. are barbaric.

    But then so is the Bible.

    Well you certainly wouldn't be allowed to do that. Non-Muslims are not allowed into Mecca.
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    You put the clothes on, grow the beard or even wear a burqa ... who would know.:confused:
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    Good for you.
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