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    Re: Realistic UFA PATS should consider

    And play him where?

    I like both, but neither is a good fit for a 3-4

    Attitude problems and will want a huge paycheck

    Sure, why not. Definitely on the decline though

    Sure

    Pass. Unless it's a one year dirt cheap deal

    Meh. Not sure how he'd fit the scheme

    Only if there is a time machine set to a few years ago. Lloyd has 36 catches over the last 3 years. Johnson was always a bit overrated and is declining (and a moron). Reed is slower than continental drift and is limited to slot duties, for which Edelman is just fine.

    Sure. Nice depth player

    Revived his career a bit last year, but I'd still pass unless he was cheap (And I doubt he will be)

    Baffling. Hoyer is fine as a #2.
     
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    Chris Chambers is talented, but there's something about him thats not quite right.

    I'll always remember the playoff game in '07, when Rivers was on one leg and Chambers gave the most half-assed effort on a play when Samuel made a pick. He does make some great catches but I'll always have that image of him being out fought by Samuel.
     
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    Re: Realistic UFA PATS should consider

    if by realistic you mean a bunch of guys no one really wants so if we do want them we can have them for next to nothing.

    Most of those guys are on the downside of their career or never had much of one to begin with.

    I would say Bullock and Bryant would be the ones I would consider from this list and Bryant as off field issues and Bullock falls into the above category but we could use a VET LB or two.

    I don't think it is unrealistic to think this team will spend money on a FA I just wouldn't expect them to go nuts.

    From what I have heard they are some 30-40 millon dollars under what they have spent the last few seasons. There is no rules that say they have to spend it. But realistically they can spend most of it. IMO whatever the actual dollar figure they were at last season minus say 10-15 mil would be where I would spend if I were Kraft. This way you are doing what you can to make this years team competiative but still leaving yourself in a good place for the likelyhood that the next capped season will be a smaller cap than the last.

    So for the purposes of this discussion lets split the difference and say they are 35 mil below their normal spending limits than by my logic you have 25 mil to work with.

    I think you can fit all the rookies, a new Wilfork deal, the difference between Bradys contract now and a new one, a couple of average to good FA and one big splash with 25 mil.

    rookies 3-6 mil
    wilfork 7-9 mil
    difference in Toms deals 4-6 mil

    using all the high numbers above you are at 21 mil still enough for a couple of average FA. By using the high end of my estimated numbers you have no room for a big splash but if you use the low end you could fit a huge splash A la Peppers (likely somewhere in the middle leaves you room for one solid FA accuisition and a couple decent FAs)
     
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    Re: Realistic UFA PATS should consider

    I got some realistic free agents for you, they can sign anybody! The Pats are in one of the biggest sports markets and it's uncapped. It's not a matter of "if" the Pats can sign them, it's whether they "want" to sign them.
     
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    Does anyone here have a detailed understanding of the Pats' debt structure? Comments like the one above always fail to take this into account, and I don't know enough about it to speak to it with authority. What I do know is that Gillette cost north of $300M to build, was privately funded, and that the Pats have hundreds of millions in debt (I think I remember seeing $280 million as the number). Teams like the Colts, OTOH, had the bill footed by the Indiana taxpayers, so they don't have to account for this kind of debt service. It's pretty stupid to disparage the Pats' willingness to spend without taking any of this into account.
     
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    LOL some of your phrases gave me a good laugh. Good stuff.
    "Reed is slower than the continental drift." LOL
     
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    I think KVDB would be a plus signing. Character/leader/savvy vet type you can play 4/3 end on passing downs (we did that plenty this year, plus if Fat Vince leaves you'll see a lot more 4/3). Think of him as a stand in for Junior, and sadly, Bruschi. Oh, Tedy, where have you gone...?

    Bulluck would help, absolutely. Again with more 4/3 and hybrid 5 back sets, a strong dude like Bulluck in the middle next to Mayo could make you forget about Gary Guyton. Cheap(?), smart, reliable, proven, he's got Patriot written all over him.
     
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    David Carr 'Wreck' as a QB?

    I would rather have Pennington if the Phins release him
     
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    They've spent plenty of money in the past and I don't see how that would change just because of a stadium that was built in 2002. They've manged the cap extremely well since BB has been head coach. Again they're in one of the largest markets in sports. If they were the Colts and had to pay for their own stadium, they'd be f*cked!

    When there was a FA they wanted, they would pay for him as money was rarely an issue. As long as this team sells tickets and wins games, they won't have any problem signing free agents. That is why I won't be surprised if the Pats sign Mankins, Wilfork and Peppers.
     
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    That's the whole point. You're saying that, because there's no cap, and they're a large-market team, they can afford whoever they want. AKA they have an inherent economic advantage... which isn't true, if you actually look at the situation in any depth. Whatever advantage they have, there's also a handful of significant disadvantages that you've failed to account for: it's a privately funded stadium, no PSLs, etc. etc.--all things that, as fans and taxpayers, we should appreciate rather than failing to take them into consideration and then ripping on the team for being 'cheap'.

    It's a pretty huge pet peeve of mine when anyone implies, let alone states, that Kraft is cheap. Newsflash: if that was true, you'd be a fan of the St. Louis Patriots. Not to be a jerk, but maybe you should go and actually learn your team's history before you throw around that type of accusation. Kraft came to own the Patriots by buying Foxboro Stadium for $25M, then refusing to let Orthweim break the team's contract with the stadium to move it to St. Louis (he was offered $75M; surely a cheap man would have sprung for this). If that wasn't enough, he then bought the Pats for $175M (at the time, NFL record). And the icing on the cake, of course, is that he turned down the Hartford deal to build Gillette in Foxboro, despite the whole thing being privately financed. There's no argument to be made that Kraft is cheap: it's obviously and demonstrably untrue. There is absolutely nothing credible to it, and his entire history of actions says the opposite. If you think the Pats are cheap, then it's because you're too ignorant to have any idea what you're talking about, end of story.

    Anyways, to get back to the core point, the reality of the financial situation isn't even close to what you're trying to claim. The Colts, which I used as my example for a reason, may be a smaller market team, but they also don't have hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to service. That's a sizable constraint, and if you don't know enough to recognize that, then you should probably refrain from pretending to be some expert on why Pats make the financial decisions that they make.
     
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    Kraft is not cheap, he has plenty of money to spend and hes not stupid either. He wouldn't spend the money he did on Patriot place, the stadium etc. If a) he didn't have the money to back it up and b) it would hurt the product put on the field. HBWU is right, teams like Dallas, New York, and Us have an advantage over teams like KC or Seattle but its not like either of those teams are at distinct disadvantages like the Royals or Reds are in baseball.
     
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    Re: Realistic UFA PATS should consider

    Vandenbosch, Burleson and to a much lesser extent Bannan are the only 3 guys on your list I'd make offers to. I'd say Carr if this was last offseason, but I'm confident in Hoyer.
     
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    Levi Jones would be a guaranteed upgrade of Kaczur at RT.

    VandenBosch would be good as a pass-rushing DE in the 4-3. No idea if he can be a 3-4 OLB.

    Keith Bullock hates the Patriots.
     
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    I've decided they all suck unless the Patriots sign them...:)
     
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    Re: Realistic UFA PATS should consider

    He got that from the game ESPN Extreme Games for the original Playstation. Suzy Kolber taunts you by saying it if you come in last place.


    Yeah that's right mcmurtry86. I'm calling you out for ripping off that 15 year old joke from Suzy. :biggrin2:
     
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    Re: Realistic UFA that Pats should consider

    As anyone seen vanden bosch's numbers recently.
    This team doesnt need a passrusher who had 3 sacks last year.
     
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    Re: Realistic UFA that Pats should consider

    I'd pick up Reed if he's cheap. doesn't stop us from picking up a speed receiver too, or developing Tate.

    People forget the problem was we were zeroing in on two receivers. Adding a smart guy that can move the chains would be a plus. We weren't missing a speed guy as much as a smart 3rd receiver last year IMO.
     
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    Plus, as of right now, they are only a few million under the cap. Once the players start moving in free agency, that will all change, but they don't exactly have the freedom to go after anyone they want.
     
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    How dare you post facts!

    Of that list, I'd like to see Josh Reed and Willie Parker brought in. Parker still has a lot left in the tank and is a home run threat. I guess it just depends on how much he wants.
     
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