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  1. Gainzo

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    Does anyone know how much money will be saved from the budget if the GOP succeeds in eliminating federal funding for NPR & Planned Parenthood?

    Serious question as I haven't been able to find any "hard" numbers when it comes to these organizations.
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    I don't know. But a consequence of eliminating Planned Parenthood will be more abortions. That is a logical assumption and raises more questions.
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    I agree. It seems to me that most Republicans think that all Planned Parenthood does is abortions. That can't be further from the truth.
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    $386 million for planned parenthood
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    $445 million for public broadcasting
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    $831 million saved



    It's 92% of their "business".
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    Do you have links for your stats? Especially the claim that 92% of women who go to Planned Parenthood get an abortion.
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    OTOH you could try google and show stats that abortion isn't 93% of their business.
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    Why should I do that when I asked the person who posted the stat to provide the source?

    BTW: According to the poster it is 92%, not 93%, of their business.
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    $831 million which is 1/5 of the US taxpayer's annual subsidy outlay to Oil Companies who are making record profits.

    Some people are in the backyard searching for 4 leaf clovers while opportunity is knocking at the front door.
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    Where did you come up with that one???

    Affiliate Medical Services Summary*

    Contraception — 35 percent of services in 2008

    Reversible Contraception Clients, Women** 2,263,776
    Emergency Contraception Kits 1,436,808
    Tubal Sterilization Clients 489
    Reversible Contraception Clients, Men 109,823
    Vasectomy Clients 2,979


    3,813,875

    STI/STD Testing and Treatment — 34 percent of services in 2008

    STI Procedures, Women and Men 3,272,264
    HIV Testing Procedures, Women 324,671
    HIV Testing Procedures, Men 95,562
    HIV Testing Procedures, Gender Not Reported 28,839

    3,721,336

    Cancer Screening and Prevention — 17 percent of services in 2008

    Pap Tests 915,716
    HPV Vaccinations 60,064
    Breast Exams/ Breast Care 826,197
    Colposcopy Procedures*** 43,285
    LOOP/LEEP Procedures*** 2,613
    Cryotherapy Procedures*** 1,816

    1,849,691

    Other Women's Health Services — 10 percent of services in 2008

    Pregnancy Tests 1,111,355
    Prenatal Clients 9,433
    Midlife Clients 12,016
    Infertility Clients 168

    1,132,972

    Abortion Services — 3 percent of services in 2008
    Abortion Procedures 324,008

    Other Services — 1 percent of services in 2008

    Primary Care Clients, Women and Men 20,235
    Adoption Referrals to Other Agencies 2 ,405
    Other Services, Women and Men**** 81,492

    104,132

    Total Services 10,943,609

    *Patient Care Provided by Planned Parenthood Affiliate Health Centers in 2008

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/fact_ppservices_2010-09-03.pdf
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    Thank you.

    If you don't mind I would like to point out to PatsFanInEaglesLand and patsfan13 that 3% of Planned Parenthood's "business" consists of performing abortions.

    I don't know about you but isn't 3% a little bit different than 92% (or 93% according to patsfan13)?
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    Spread the word all you want, it makes no difference as they turn a blind eye to the defense contractor fraud, overruns... but that is ok for the extreeeeeme right.
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    It's not even about that to me. It's the flat out lies that certain posters use when posting "stats/facts" when they have nothing to back it up with.

    I lean left but I never hated Bush as he was just a puppet to me.

    92% of women who go to planned parenthood get an abortion? Actual real data has proven that is wrong but, unfortunately, a lot of people will believe those stats. I'm sure Hannity, Beck, Palin, etc will run with those figures.

    Can anyone tell me why people vote on social issues and not economic issues?

    DarrylS: Have you read, "What's the Matter with Kansas?"
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    Now you know why he didn't provide a link. Evidently, a member can make any type of statement without providing a source and it's up to the replier to prove thier wrong.
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    How about this statement?

    Patsfan13: 90% of male GOP members cheat on their wives and 40% of them have sex with men. Pleases find a source to refute these stats. Thanks.
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    No, I like your posts. Don't stoop to their level. Next thing you know you'll be providing links to FOX NEWS.
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    The no spin zone defeats you. Go GOP!
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    Define "social issues."

    I don't think anybody should vote solely on one or the other, but many social issues involve individual rights versus government restrictions.
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    So that apparently means that the money being wasted for PP and NPR is somehow justified?
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    Not at all. While I enjoy listening to NPR, there is no way I agree with tax money subsidizing it.

    But it makes an intelligent being question why these brave spending watchdogs are not making ONE PEEP about a 500% larger taxpayer subsidy to an industry that has achieved the highest profits in our nation's history the past decade.

    So yes, Real World, I would have more respect for their outrage were it not so discretionary.
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    I'm not trying to start anything here, because I like when people bring hard stats, as you've done. It did a great job of answering some of the skewed numbers.

    Does anyone find it interesting that there were 1,111,355 pregnancy tests and 324,008 abortions? Now, it would be wrong to assume that all of the abortions came from those who were clients seeking pregnancy tests, but I would be interested in seeing the numbers there. In any event, how much do each of these procedures cost? I couldn't find the numbers.

    All I can offer is some anecdotal evidence from someone who used to work in PP management, which is pointless to share without stats to corroborate it. I haven't been able to, but if anyone can hunt down some of these numbers or knows where to find them, I think it could open the discussion a little bit...

    ...if people are interested in that sort of thing. :confused2:
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    I don't know if this will help. It's just one state's rates - Indiana. I would imagine all of them are comparable, however, but that's not a fact, it's an assumption. Things in Indiana are cheaper than they are here in Virginia, but they're not horribly different.

    Planned Parenthood of Indiana offers pregnancy testing for $10.

    Pill abortions (induced by drugs and sometimes called "medical abortions" or "the abortion pill") are available between 5 and 7 weeks of pregnancy and the cost is $500. In-clinic abortions are available from 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy and cost $400.

    Planned Parenthood of Indiana

    As to discussion, sure - but what is it you wanted to discuss? The cost of a pregnancy test is cheap enough - but if the result is positive and the child is carried to term the costs of prenatal care is going to be much more than $400 or $500.

    Planned Parenthood offers complete prenatal care on a sliding scale fee with the lowest income bracket paying zero. Cost of a private OB for care through delivery costs around 2K. The average total cost for prenatal care throughout a typical pregnancy is about $2,000, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. This figure includes about 12 doctors' visits at $100 to $200 each, as well as routine blood tests, urinalysis and at least one ultrasound -- usually done at about 20 weeks.

    Cost of Prenatal Care - Get Information and Prices - CostHelper.com

    Many of those dollars being taken away from Planned Parenthood most likely go to providing affordable or free prenatal care. If a poor woman is faced with coming up with $400.00 for an abortion or $2,000.00 for a live birth which do you think, strictly moneywise, she's going to be able to come up with the easiest?
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    Interesting thread. Shmessy makes the most valid point. There is no justification to the taxpayer using FEDERAL money supporting NPR or Planned Parenthood. Nor is there any justification for FEDERAL money supporting oil and gas subsidies. Nor should they be subsidizing farmers. Or car companies. Or education. Or the arts. Or retirement. Or health care. Or anything else. Its an overreach of the Federal government's Constitutional constraints.
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    I forgot to add subsidizing of bankers, defense contractors, and American interventionalism.

    Some defense spending for a strong defensive military, capable of protecting us in a modern world is warranted, however.
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    Agreed w/both posts.

    And why do we still have banks that are so big that their failure would cause systemic harm to the econom, btw? We have government regulation in pretty much every area of business, but in the one area that actually cost the taxpayer tens of billions of dollars (or more?), they do nothing. (Well, actually, it's worse than doing nothing. There's still mandatory review of mergers and acquisitions that are, in the grand scheme of things, tiny. And they do things like making Whole Foods sell a couple dozen stores 2 years after acquiring Wild Oats because they define Whole Foods as operating in a different sector than more mainstream grocery stores. Great job, bureaucrats -- way to keep an eye on the big piccture...)
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    Actually here too, the government intervention into the system is the problem. Far too much regulation. Forced federal insurance, instead of leaving the banks to source their own. Federal control over soft money and filtering trillions of dollars into circulation through the banks in the name of "quantative easing" which will soon cause the dollar to no longer be the reserve currency. I could go on. But the banks should have been allowed to work through their own business cycle. If that meant failure, then it meant failure. Government has no business in the business cycle.
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    No business in the "business cycle," I agree. But there are regulatory roles for government, including antitrust and other issues of market power. We shouldn't have banks merging to the point where they're so large that they pose risks to the economy. (Same goes for other companies, but financial institutions were the obvious recent example -- which still exists)
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    That 40 to 1 ratio of the cost of a pregnancy test vs. abortion might explain where the original discrepancy came from. Maybe the original was based on revenues, not transactions?

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