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  1. Turk

    Turk Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    "You're Either With Us or You're Dead"

    Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq has cost 655,000 Iraqis their lives.
    That is the conclusion of a study financed by the Massachusetts
    Institute of Technology's Center for International Studies and
    conducted by physicians under the direction of Johns Hopkins
    University epidemiologists. These are deaths over and above the
    pre-invasion mortality rate. Bush's illegal invasion raised Iraq's
    mortality rate from 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people per year to 13.3
    deaths per 1,000 people per year. The study is published by the
    distinguished British medical journal, The Lancet, and is available on
    the journal's online site (October 11).

    The study uses a scientific method known as "cluster sampling." In 87%
    of the deaths, the researchers requested death certificates, and more
    than 90% of the surveyed households produced the death certificates.
    Violence accounted for 601,000 deaths and disease and destruction of
    civilian infrastructure accounted for 54,000 deaths. The violent
    deaths are attributed to gunshot wounds, coalition air strikes, and
    car bombs.

    Johns Hopkins University epidemiologist Gilbert Burnham says, "We're
    very confident with the results." Columbia University epidemiologist
    Ronald Waldman says the survey method used is "tried and true" and
    that "this is the best estimate of mortality we have."

    When asked about the report, President Bush stated: "I don't consider
    it a credible report." Bush, of course, is not reality-based, and he
    knows that any unfavorable news is "enemy propaganda." That's what the
    neocons who pull his strings tell him, and that is what he believes.

    What percentage of these 655,000 deaths were insurgents or "terrorists"?

    Probably 1% and no more than 2%. Bush's "war on terror" is, in fact, a
    war on Iraqi civilians.

    Bush's invasion has also spawned sectarian conflict or civil war,
    although the Bush regime denies it. Even Bush is smart enough to know
    that "bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq" is not compatible with
    setting off a civil war in Iraq. Since Bush, the faith-based, believes
    that he is bringing "freedom and democracy to Iraq," he cannot accept
    the fact that he has started a civil war.

    Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are not the only innocent
    victims of Bush's illegal aggression. The New York Times (October 11)
    reports that Department of Veterans Affairs documents show that about
    one in five US soldiers who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan have
    suffered at least partial disability.

    To date more than 100,000 US troops who are veterans of these wars
    have been granted disability compensation. Although the US cannot put
    on the ground in Iraq more than 150,000 troops at one time, 1.5
    million troops have served so far and 567,000 have been discharged of
    which 100,000 are receiving disability payments.

    Paul Sullivan, director of programs for Veterans for America, says
    that the current rate of injuries will produce 400,000 American
    veterans suffering 30% to 100% disability. Apparently, one of the
    severe forms of disability is post-traumatic stress, which does not
    count as a physical wound.

    According to the US National Intelligence Estimate and to practically
    every Middle East expert, Bush's invasions have radicalized the Muslim
    Middle East, created legions of recruits for extremists, undermined
    America's puppet rulers, imperiled Israel, and destroyed America's

    We are talking about over one million casualties that have no other
    cause than blatant lies by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, the
    bloodthirsty neoconservative cabal that occupies Bush's subcabinet,
    and their corporate media propagandists, especially The Weekly
    Standard, Fox News, National Review, CNN, and the Wall Street Journal
    editorial page. The Bush regime deceived America and the world with
    its lies that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that
    would be turned against the West by terrorists. By giving speeches
    that continually mentioned Iraq in the same context as 9/11, the Bush
    regime created the widespread impression, still prevalent among
    Americans, that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

    The same kind of government that fires its own lawyers for doing their
    constitutional duty. Navy lawyer Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift was assigned
    the task of bringing Salim Hamdan to a guilty plea before the
    unconstitutional military tribunal that President Bush created for
    Guantanamo detainees. Instead, Cmdr. Swift did his duty and defended
    his client, winning in the US Supreme Court. The Bush administration
    retaliated by blocking Cmdr. Swift's promotion, which killed his
    military career and sent the chilling message to all US military and
    government attorneys that constitutional scruples are career-enders in
    the Bush regime. Anyone who stands for the US Constitution is against
    Bush and his neocon regime.

    The Bush regime is proceeding exactly as the Nazi regime proceeded.

    First, eliminate every person of conscience and integrity from the
    government. Second, redefine duty as service to the leader: "You are
    with us or against us"--a formulation that leaves no place for duty to
    the US Constitution. Patriotism is redefined from loyalty to country
    and Constitution to loyalty to the government's leader.

    Americans are too inattentive and distracted to be aware of the grave
    danger that the neoconservative Bush regime presents to American
    liberty and to world stability. The neoconservative drive to achieve
    hegemony over the American people and the entire world is similar to
    Hitler's drive for hegemony. Hitler used racial superiority to justify
    Germany's right to ride roughshod over other peoples and the right of
    the Nazi elite to rule over the German people.

    Neoconservatives use "American exceptionalism" and "the war on
    terror." There is no practical difference. Hitler cared no more about
    the peoples he mowed down in his drive for supremacy than the
    neoconservatives care about 655,000 dead Iraqis, 100,000 disabled
    American soldiers and 2,747 dead ones.

    When Bush, the Decider, claims unconstitutional powers and uses
    "signing statements" to negate US law whenever he feels the rule of
    law is in the way of his leadership, he is remarkably similar to
    Hitler, the Fuhrer, who told the Reichstag on February 20, 1938: "A
    man who feels it his duty at such an hour to assume the leadership of
    his people is not responsible to the laws of parliamentary usage or to
    a particular democratic conception, but solely to the mission placed
    upon him. And anyone who interferes with this mission is an enemy of
    the people."

    "You are with us or against us."

    Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
    Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street
    Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He
    is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
  2. Real World

    Real World Moderator Staff Member

    Aug 15, 2006
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    Utter nonsense. This study has already been deemed flawed by most experts. Of course people will take it and use it as hard fact.
  3. DarrylS

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    655,000...555,000...455,000...355,000...255,000...155,000 no matter what the number this whole effort has been completely unacceptable. The majority of those dead in the war are women and children, and somewhere, someday there will have to be some type of reckoning for this disaster.
  4. Real World

    Real World Moderator Staff Member

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    It's certainly a shame and unfortunate GJ, but what about the Hussein regime under UN Sanctions? Some would say that was a disaster too.
  5. scout

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    #15 Jersey

    The Iraq war will be looked at years from now as one of the biggest blunders in American history. Still, people don't get it (38% at last count). First Bush the candidate states he would never invade a country without an exit strategy. He then invades a country for reasons which are still not clear to anyone, congressmen, military personnel, Cabinet officers, and the American citizens. Didn't matter who opposed the plan, what significant administrators and military personnel raised concerns, if they were not in Bush's bubble they had no influence. Not even the Bush supporters on this site agree on the "reason" for invading Iraq. There is substantial evidence that signifies the Iraq war was intended well before 9/11. After the initial confrontation, Bush declares "Mission Accomplished". Today, their are hundreds of Iraq civilians dying each day, still some are in denial that it is a civil war. Bush supporters will state that significant gains have been made toward democracy (if that is the current reason for fighting). If only candidate Bush would have given us his dream while campaigning. That he wanted to invade a country in order to spread democracy to the Middle East. That would be comparable to a naive Miss America contestant saying her desire is for world peace.
  6. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    So what we have done and are doing is justifiable, I think not, last time I checked two wrongs do not make a right.

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