Reading tea leaves: Which aging vets will or won't be back?

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  1. Fencer

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    Leaving out guys who clearly are still elite players -- e.g. Brady -- it's interesting to try to guess which of the aging vets will or won't come back. My early thoughts are:

    Kevin Faulk -- it's a pity, but he's done, as is evidenced by his difficulty making the active roster, and by some of his teammates' comments.

    Lousaka Polite -- when a fullback misses his blocks, his career prospects aren't great.

    Brian Waters -- yes, his family lives far away, but he really liked it here, and seems likely to come back.

    Dan Koppen -- he's lived here since he was 18 years old. He'll make the deal to stay, as Matt Light did.

    Chad -- asta la bye-bye. If he didn't get the playbook by the end of the season, he's not a good bet to get it next year either. On the other hand, he really rehabilitated his personal reputation, which will help him get a job elsewhere.

    Deion Branch -- here in training camp. Reasonable fans can differ as to whether he'll make the final roster. (I lean yes, but not strongly.)

    Andre' Carter -- back. He flourished here. Pay no attention to the line of reasoning that says the Pats must have a LESS flexible defensive system than they had this year, in which he might not fit.

    Shaun Ellis -- makes a few plays a year. Not enough. Gone.

    Gerald Warren -- at best, on the verge of losing a numbers game. But without Haynesworth and Ellis around, might stick.

    Mark Anderson -- not old enough to fit this list. Also, I'm guessing he'll command enough money elsewhere that the Patriots will be outbid.
  2. Angry Man

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    My predictions:

    Kevin Faulk - Gone and more then likely will retire in the off season. I get the feeling he's got little to nothing left in the tank at this point.

    Lousaka Polite - Same thing as what Fencer wrote.

    Brian Waters - More then likely to stay.

    Dan Koppen - More then likely to stay.

    Chad Ochowhatever - I really wanted him to do well for the team. At this point he's a very expensive third WR option on a team that needs better even at the third WR option. He's gone.

    Deion Branch - Gone. I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make it to training camp let alone past pre-season. We'll see.

    Andre Carter - Barely will stay.

    Shaun Ellis - Gone.

    Mark Anderson - Hope he stays but got a feeling he'll be gone.
  3. randomk1

    randomk1 In the Starting Line-Up

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    Why are you so pessimistic about Carter and Anderson?
  4. patsfan13

    patsfan13 Hall of Fame Poster Supporter

    Disagree about Branch, get 3-4 catches per game as the #4 option in the O, not sure why everyone is so down on him. I think we find a #1 type WR deep threat, but Branch is a valuable backup and isn't looking to break the bank, will be surprised if he isn't on the roster.
  5. BlueThunder

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    Also Mike Wright should retire for his family's sake.
  6. Gronkandez

    Gronkandez 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    BJGE and Hoyer could both be gone if someone signs them to an offer sheet. I think BJGE is a RFA.
  7. BlueThunder

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    Hoyer is a RFA...BJGE is just a FA.

    Maybe BB can tender Hoyer for a 2nd or 3rd. Too bad he didn't get to showcase him in games.

    BJGE will probably get to test the market and hopefully nobody sees his worth so Pats can re-sign him for reasonable $$.
  8. Elijah

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    My predictions:

    Anderson - re-signed for a medium contract.
    Branch - re-signed on a short, cheap deal.
    Carter - not re-signed, but could come back at any time if needed like Warren did in 2011 if another team doesn't get him.
    Connolly - re-signed on a medium contract.
    Ellis - he balked at the Jets low offer last year, and I don't expect the Pats offering much more than that now.
    Faulk - he'll probably retire at some point during the offseason.
    Green-Ellis - re-signed for a medium contract.
    Guyton - thanks for everything, but see ya...hopefully twice a year as a starter.
    Ihedigbo - re-signed for a short contract.
    Jones - they'll let him go.
    Koppen - I think they'll at least let him test the market.
    Koutouvides - not re-signed.
    Molden - possibly re-signed on a short deal only to be cut in early September.
    Slater - re-signed to a long contract.
    Warren - could retire, or do what he did last year where he takes the offseason easy and then comes back.
    Welker - franchise tag, hopefully a long deal at some point in the next year.
    White - brought back on a short deal.
  9. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Agreed completely.
  10. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    I think he was much too good for that this past season. Otherwise, your thoughts make a lot of sense.
  11. Deus Irae

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    Using Elijah's list....

    My predictions:

    Anderson - gone (wouldn't mind him staying, I just see someone offering more $)
    Branch - returning, may end up competing for his job
    Carter - returning
    Connolly - returning
    Ellis - gone
    Faulk - gone, unless his rebound in the next few months is an impressive one
    Green-Ellis - gone if he wants full starter money, back if he'll take 'committee' money
    Guyton - gone
    Ihedigbo - back, expected to be backup/ST
    Jones - gone
    Koppen - returning if he's to be the starter, gone if he's not
    Koutouvides - gone
    Molden - gone or given an opportunity to compete in camp
    Slater - returning
    Warren - gone
    Welker - returning
    White - returning to compete in camp[/QUOTE]

    It's early yet, and F.A. signings, along with the draft, could lead to some changes, but that's my first take.
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2012
  12. Angry Man

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    There's a part of me that has this feeling through either the draft or free agency we're going to end up finding upgrades over them. I could be wrong... but its just a weird feeling. I'm no expert on who exactly could be an upgrade. But if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. We'll see.
  13. MoLewisrocks

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    Hoyer isn't going anywhere unless they get an offer they can't refuse, which I don't think they will. He's expecting a high tender. Branch will be back. He's perfect for the space Ocho wasted this season, 3rd or 4th WR who knows Brady and the playbook inside out, does all the little things even when he isn't targeted, willing role player and mentor for whichever FA or draft pick is competing for his old role as #2. Faulk is likely done but could be back for the off season and camp and possibly eased into a coaching assistant role for the season. Benny isn't going to get a raise here so it depends on what he sees on the market. Don't think they will let Connolly go. Koppen won't be back here for starter money. Hope Waters has one more season in him.

    Carter and Anderson depend on what Bill is thinking scheme wise and how the draft unfolds and how Carter rebounds. As situational guys I'm sure he'd like them back for reasonable money. I think Warren is done. Ellis definitely is. Guyton should be. The rest could still return as ST/backups with some experience. But there will be 8-10 new faces and they'll have to compete with them to stick.

    Ocho better be gone.
  14. jnug

    jnug On the Game Day Roster

    Not sure about finding upgrades for both Carter AND Anderson. I do think that Branch will end up in the same kind of competitive situation at WR that the other two guys will be in on the D-line.

    I expect to see some number of receivers come into camp and Branch may not survive that. He will have a built in advantage because of his familiarity with the offense and because Tom likes him but Branch is aging and he does not have the size to play WR any different way than he plays it. Not a whole lot that a guy in his position can do once the quickness and speed start going.
  15. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    Both players had seasons that vastly exceeded my expectations. Not to rewind the SB but I do wonder how much success Eli would have had if both Carter and Anderson had been screaming off the edges.

    As Mo stated, it depends on the scheme. Carter is not a OLB, however Anderson seemed to play the run a little better in the latter part of the year. The same criticism was leveled towards Rosie Colvin when he first arrived he improved greatly in his time here.

    With that said, it all comes down to $$$ and the market but frankly I don't agree that you can adequately replace BOTH players next season.

    With that said, they need a pass rushing presence at the DT position. If it's the 3-4 or 4-3 I really don't care.
  16. Angry Man

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    That is true robertweathers. Good points you made. I'm thinking my judgment on the situation is wrong but I just got this nagging feeling at least one might either be traded or let go or whatever. Like I said we'll see. It wouldn't be the first time I'll eat crow on being wrong on something NFL wise. My judgment on getting rid of Matt Cassel before the 2008 season started based off of how badly he was playing in pre-season was dead on wrong.
  17. Tunescribe

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    What specifically was Andre Carter's injury and how severe? I vaguely recall it was a quad injury of some sort.
  18. deters

    deters Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    torn quad muscle that required surgery. Not sure if how he will rebound from it due to his age even though he is in incredible shape.
  19. Smokeeye123

    Smokeeye123 On the Roster

    Very interested to see what the Patriots do with Hoyer...If they could get a second even a 3rd pick for him from a mediocre/crappy team, it will be amazing.
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