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RE: Cornerback - More confidence in Bodden or Springs?

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Which of these 2 new additions to the CB position do you feel will be a better addition and an asset to the team - Shawn Springs or Leigh Bodden?

    I really feel that it is unlikely that both players will both have a great year and I also think that both players won't both have bad years either but it is going to be one that performs well and one that could end up as a dissapointment - Thats my opinion anyway.

    Do you have confidence in a 34 year old Cornerback who has been with the same team for nearly a decade and played steady? or Do you feel better about a younger player who came from an 0-16 team but played well for his previous one?
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    Why is it unlikely that both will succeed? If you feel both have the ability, why cant they both? BTW springs played for Seattle for a longer time than he did Washington and neither were for a decade.
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    Simply because I dont think that both will be spectacular but I do think one will prove worthy while the other not so - perhaps its an opinionated prediction.

    BB is not exempt from have a few stinker FA signings,especially in the past 4 years - Chad Brown,Monty Beisel,Duane Starks,Doug Gabriel are a few notable flops - While the team hit the jackpot with Moss and Welker and did o.k. with Morris and Thomas,there were some bad additions as well.... Should be interesting competition in camp without a doubt.
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    I'd say right now I'd probably go with Springs. I like his experience, good coverage abilities, and reputation for playing well. With that said, my confidence in Bodden has increased lately, and I do like his size as well.
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    I am going to add that I think one of these two players will be backing up Butler who I think will be good enough to get the start right away.
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    Im going to go with Bodden just because I think springs will help him in the film room and I think he has an athletic edge over springs but I dont think springs will falter. I think both will be solid but Bodden will have the better year.
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    my only gripe with either is that we ONLY signed bodden to a 1 yr deal....
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    Would you really sign up a corner from an 0-16 team to a contract longer than 1 year? - I wouldn't

    Bodden had a subpar year last season,its not like he was a world beater at stopper at corner on that pathetic team,the only player who showed up in games last season for the Lions seemed to be Calvin Johnson but he didn't have a QB to throw it to him. - Its simply a show me year for Leigh and if he is decent I would'nt worry about the future.
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    I have more confidence in Bodden.
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    This is a much better discussion than the ones we have had about Hank Poteat... or some of the guys that have come through here.
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    Bodden will be more consistently effective/durable, and Springs will be better when healthy. Overall, I have more faith in Bodden to make a consistently strong contribution.
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    I think that Bill thinks they will both be better than Hobbs.:)
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    I have confidence in both playing well but at 37 years of age you have to have some doubts regarding Springs durability. I expect he'll get a lot of time off which is good b/c I'm really hoping for good things out of Butler, Wheatley, and Wilhite.
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    Bodden will probably have the better year statistically, as he has a reputation as a ballhawk.

    I still think Springs is the Chad Scott replacement and will be spliting time with Wheatley or Wilhite, given that Springs is 40 years old.
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    I think I'll go with Springs on this one.
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    I would agree with this. I am hopeful that Bodden will come back close to his 2007 Cleveland form, and that Bodden and Butler are the likely future starters at CB if we can sign Bodden long term. I think that Springs will add veteran leadership and experience, but I don't he him as a long-term solution. He may possibly be better in the short term if healthy.
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    Too much conjucture, too much going by hunch, there is no logic whatever to you are saying. Nothing personal, pal. But this conclusion one has to flop defies logic.

    Both have had success in the past and will be surrounded by a strong DL, why is it impossible for both to have a very solid year. :confused:
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    I would if the bonus was the same. You always have the option of cutting him if he's not good at any time. Options can't be worht less than 0.
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    exactly, the potential could be really big for Bodden, i c it as though the risk/reward we should have signed him for at least 2 yrs
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    Belichick is paying both Bodden and Springs pretty good bucks and much more than Beisel, Brown, Gabriel, or even Starks. Biesel and Brown were brought in to be reserves; and TJ concussions and retirement; and Tedy's stroke overnight promoted them to starters, that was never intended. Gabriel had talent but he could not assimilate the Patriots option receiving. Starks was damaged goods who tried to play in spite of injuries, and couldn't hack it.
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    Isn't this better, discussing long time starters instead of debating the merits of marginal reserves? :cool:
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    Umm Springs is 34, not 37. That's a BIG difference.
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    Yeah, I was going to correct him on that but I don't know how well a 34 yr old corner can do.
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    Well he was pretty good at 33 and 32...
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    Were actually pretty spoiled at CB now with Wheatley, Wilhite and Butler ready to challenge for a no.2 spot. Butler could be a pro-bowler in 3 years if he lives up to his promise and Wheatley/Wilhite showed a lot of promise last year in difficult circumstances
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    Poteat. Earthwind-Moreland. Troy Brown. These are the CBs of championship seasons !
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    If you are satisfied with this group, advocate for bringing them back..personally much more confident right now in our CB situation, than have been in a couple of years... you forgot Randall Gay and some of the others..
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    Yeah, exactly. Let's keep in mind that the problem Samuels gave the Pats coaching staff is exactly the same behavior that got him so much positive notoriety - taking risks that sometimes paid off in interceptions. Yo don't have to be a super athlete to be a good CB in this defensive scheme. The "Just do your job" theme applies to this position as well.

    This is more CB talent than this team has had in a long, long time.

    FWIW, if forced to answer this question, I'd go with Bodden only because 34 year old football players are vulnerable to losing some quickness and injury. But if Springs stays healthy, both of these guys should be solid starters.
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    Springs has the wealth of experience which is always good in getting that first step/awareness of what's going on.

    Bodden is young, and has faced and succeeded against some top receivers in his time. Last year was a blimp because of the team around him. If the D-Line doesn't pressure the QB, they will look like Marino/Manning/Brady....

    But all in all - probably Bodden. I see him taking quite the bulk of top WRs because he can shut things down, whereas with Springs probably #2/Nickel CB.

    To be honest though, every CB will play an important role this year. Who knows when the ball may come your way for the game-winning INT... who knows.

    Blader.
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    After reading through the previous 29 posts of this thread, my overall impression is that, in general, posters here see our CB depth and ability as vastly improved from a year ago. Which I agree with.......

    Once Bodden and Springs were acquired BB had the confidence to let Hobbs go to Philly. That says a lot to me personally.

    Springs, Bodden, Wheatley, Wilhite and Butler looks to be a very competitive group at CB. If Butler is pushing for more and more playing time as the season unfolds, that would be a great thing for all concerned. TC, pre-season and the first 4 games of 2009 should, could get very interesting indeed!

    As to the main topic of the thread: Bodden or Springs better in 2009? I really don't have any idea. MY gut says Springs if he can stay away from injuries, but I'm hoping Bodden plays to his potential also...

    Good thread, excellent posts!
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