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  1. meggett

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    I know im gonna get killed here. looking at the last 20 season rushing title holders (going back to 1990)....

    16 were 1st round picks.

    4 were not.

    I know we dont exactly have a ground and pound offense..Just thought it was interesting. Maybe you cant always find a RB in the later rounds, at least not one that can change the way teams play you...then again...Arian Foster.

    Not saying we should go RB at 17 (although im not against it at all), we should really consider it at 28. Thoughts??
     
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    There are too many solid mid-round RB's in this draft to waste #17 or #28 on a RB IMO.
     
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    Fielding the NFL rushing leader isn't what it used to be, of course. No annual rushing leader has come close to the Superbowl since...who, Terrell Davis with the Elway Broncos?

    Regardless, though, this isn't much of an RB draft. IMO Ingram is the only one worthy of even the #28.
     
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    When was the last time one of those rushing yards leaders won a Super Bowl?
     
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    Well there is logic behind it.
    1-BB has drafted a RB in the first round so he isnt shy
    2-Its definately a position of need which our first pick is usually used for
    3-We paid Fred flippin Taylor $3M a year for 2 years....
    4-BB knows Nick Saban
    5-Ingram has shown he can carry a load
    6-He is coming off a season with a relatively light load
    7-More than anyone else in the draft....Ingram helps us WIN first down better than anyone there at 17! Not even close!

    Now thats not to say I'd prefer to draft Ingram or that BB does, but if we have a wink-wink deal set up with Light and there isnt a stud DL there at 17 that wont be there at 28....and the drop off between Ingram and the next best RB is so great then I can totally see Ingram at a Patriot. It would surprise me alot less than the McCorty pick! LOL.
     
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    What point is having a 1st round RB if your O-line can't block well enough for him and the rest of the offense.

    Koppen was horrible last year until Mankins showed up.

    Connolly was ok as was Wendell.

    The Pats only have 1 proven tackle under contract in Vollmer. LeVoir and Maneri are big question marks.

    Light is a UFA and may have only a year or two left. I am hoping the Pats draft an OT to develop opposite Vollmer, while bringing Light back short term.

    I am also hoping the Pats will draft an OC and an OG because I don't feel that Koppen can handle the job anymore.

    As for counting on Neal, I think you are more likely to win the lotter than get a full healthy season out of Neal.
     
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    But does Ingram provide value? I don't think so. Not when you have issues on the O-line.
     
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    Ingram is in the cast of BGJE, so do we need another RB? yes. Do we need another BGJE while taking a high pick away from another position? No.

    The best bang for your buck for RBs in this draft will be in the 3rd round.
     
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    Well if we cut Kaczur and Light doesnt have the wink wink deal going on then we WILL draft a T without much doubt. No sense paying Light big bucks, knowing that Vollmer can handle the job AND drafting a T in the first round....that just doesnt make sense. No center/guard is rated that high, jags will certainly be picked up in FA as well as some lower picks. The "value" is all in the eyes of BB, and it doesnt even have to be "real value" either....as long as BB thinks Ingram will be that much better than the 2nd/3rd rated RB and can catch and block its "percieved value"....We have a VERY young defense, the youngest in the league right? Adding more young players might not be the right "mix", adding a few short term vets or preferrably 1 BIG TIME FA LB (Woodley!)might gel them better. Who knows??
     
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    BJGE never won a Heisman, he didnt have teams gameplanning against him. Ingram is alot more shifty and hits the hole alot quicker if its there AND he has the elusiveness to do something with it if it isnt there.....BJGE is a jag who has 1 skill....not fumbling. We DO need another RB, the only question is does BB think the difference between RB #1 and #2 is bigger than DL/OLB #10 and #13?? We do have lots of picks left to get help on defense and OL but do we pass on the best RB available??
     
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    I agree. you cant compare Ingram to BGE. in regards to the OL, BB has shown the tendency to draft OL in later rounds.

    Mankins-1st round
    Vollmer-2nd round
    Light-2nd round
    Kaczur-3rd round
    Ohrnberger-4th
    Koppen-5th round
    Neal- undrafted FA
    Connolly-undrafted
    Wendell-undrafted

    Not saying its not worth the high pick, but he has shown the ability to spot OL with lower picks. And this years draft has a good amount of OL.
     
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    The question isn't really whether Ingram is the best RB in this draft. The question is whether Ingram offers sufficiently more than guys who will be available in later rounds, for what the Pats seem likely to do with an RB, to warrant spending a 1st rounder.

    My feeling is that Ingram does offer more - just not enough more.
     
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    true. but the argument can also be made that they were high 1st rounders and went to bad teams.
     
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    This is the wrong year to be looking RB in the first round. The talent's just not there. The team's better off looking at the free agency market this year.
     
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    Again, its not about "value" but "relative value" we agree. How many RBs will be taken before 28? 2-3 tops right? So is the value greater between #1RB and #3RB than it is between say #10 DL and #13 DL?? Let me also throw in that like FL last year...there is "value" in guys from AL who have won a National Championship right? Now Jones and Dareus are beyond our reach but I can see Ingram falling to us much like Vince did.
    I did the research, here are the 1st and 2nd RBs taken the last 10 years
    Spiller/Matthews
    Moreno/Brown
    McFadden/Stewart
    Peterson/Lynch
    Bush/Maroney
    Brown/Benson
    Jackson/Perry
    McGahee/Johnson
    Green/Duckett
    Thomlinson/McAllister
    With the exception for the Raiders misusing McF, I dont see a single year I would rather have the 2nd RB taken more than the first('10 too early to call). If this were the only factor (I know its not) I'd say Ingram is a SAFE pick in the first round...and isnt that another one of BBs peckadillos?? The more I think about it the more I see Ingram is the choice. I wont likely be happy about it but we have enough BJGEs in the backfield, nothing helps the passing game like a good running game!
     
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    thats just the problem though...Theres gonna be a lockout. and from what i hear its gonna last awhile. there may not be a free agency at all or if there is one, it may only last a week or so. i know im being an Ingram homer here but if this draft is deep at DE and OL, lets get the best back in the draft, who played in a pro style offense, can pass pro and can make yards on his own...
     
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    Perfect.

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    I'd much rather see BB spend coin on a Deangelo Williams, for example, and draft OLB/DE/OG with the first 3 picks. The talent lines up much better that way, IMO.
     
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    You're looking at it the wrong way. You don't draft a running back to lead the league in rushing yards. You draft him because you feel he's going to improve your offense. And there are plenty of playoff teams and Superbowl winners that owe their success to a high pick RB. It's really no different from any other position. You could say, when was the last time a team won with a first round receiver that led the league in receiving yards? I don't really know, because it's such a specific, useless, and meaningless stat. If you come across a great player in round one that you can say, "hey, this guy will definitely improve our team in area X." You draft him. It's simple as that. There are a ton of great first round backs, undrafted backs. Just like there are plenty of great first round receivers, and undrafted receivers.
     
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    On what basis do you make the judgement that Ingram is "shiftier" than Ingram?

    On what basis do you make the judgement that Ingram hit's the hole harder than BJGE?
     
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