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  1. wiggins!

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    Pats are 3-point home dogs. Trying to think last time they were underdogs at home?

    Colts game in 2006 is the only one that comes to mind, besides the very first game ever at Gillette in 2002 against pittsburgh.
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    No.

    The Patriots are -3.0.

    Makes it a push when you consider home advantage.
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    That's my bad. Scoresandodds had it backwards a minute ago and just fixed it. As soon as i posted this i check Diamond Sportsbook and saw the right spread.
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    Good fortune having them at home. Obviously, pass rush is helped dramatically by crowd noise.
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    Ravens 27 Patriots 21.

    You will see just how good Joe Flacco really is. Not being a homer, it is just a fact.

    BTW he is 7-2 in his last 9 road games, a better record than he has at home.
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    Well they dialed it up against Ryan, so I would expect much the same against Flacco. No more waiting for the D to gel, time to get after people.
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    As far as Im concerned were Underdogs for the rest of the season and I love it:D
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    For our defense, Baltimore poses many of the same problems that Atlanta posed - a balanced offense with a big-play QB and a strong running game. They have a solid OL and 3 good RBs. Their WRs were considered weak going into the season, but they have managed so far. They are average over 34 PPG through 3 games.

    It will be a good test of our defense to see whether we can continue to hold opponents to low scoring games. Through 3 games our defense has given up just over 14 PPG (17 + 16 + 10 = 43 points, not counting the Brady INT for a TD against Buffalo). 34 PPG vs. 14 PPG - something's gotta give.

    Offensively, this should be a reprisal of the NY game and should give us a chance at redemption. Baltimore will attack from all angles, especially with their LBs. Their DL is stronger than NYs, their secondary weaker overall (their CBs are only average, though Ed Reed makes up for a lot). I doubt they have anyone who can shut down Randy Moss the way Darrell Revis did. If Welker is back, it will be a big plus. The key for the Pats offensively is obviously how they handle the defensive pressure. I'm guessing they will do a better job than they did against NY, and hopefully do a lot of the things I had hoped they would do against the Jets - run, use play action, use screens, use misdirection, use 2 TE formations with extra blockers to pick up the rush, etc.

    This will be a great test. Win, and we are back in the "elite" mix in the AFC. Lose, and we are 2-2 and still struggling to find our groove.
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    Redemption won't come until 11/22; however it has to be good for us to face "the same" defense again so quickly and then again in 7 weeks. We have to figure something out by then - don't we ?
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    Yes indeed. I'm quite looking forward to Baltimore coming to town.. :)
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    Inrteresting. Why does he hate playing in Baltimore? He doesn't like the city? Or the crabcakes?
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    You ever watch The Wire? I live in Columbia (30 minutes south of Bmore) and I avoid that city like the plague. I'd rather go 50 minutes down south to DC if I want to be in a city.
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    THAT was one of the best series I have ever enjoyed watching. Great characters and plot lines.
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    I agree with you, Flacco appears to be the real deal. He'll be 7-3 on the road this time next week though and I'll go with Patriots 31 Baltimore 21.
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    I guess I am in the minority here. I would rather play Baltimore later in the season when our offense is clicking....not now when we are already struggling with Moss,Welker, Mayo, and Wilfork hobbled.
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    We may well play them later in the season, too. :singing:
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    Well if you want to start throwing win records around... Brady is 15-2 in his last 17 road games. :)

    NOW WHAT!!!

    J/K man...I think Balty is gonna whip us. :(
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    Should be a good game, Baltimore is always a tough game. Glad they are in Foxboro.

    I don't think we trully have seen either team so far this year.

    Ravens have faced 2 teams that might not win 5 games between them in the Chiefs and Browns. Chiefs made it a game until late, when they made a mistake and the Ravens capitalized.

    A late stop helped them beat the Chargers who were driving. I am expecting a close game, with each team being 3-1 next Monday.
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    True. Even with the likes of Stringer Bell and Snoop dead, I fear bumping in the Stansfield Crew or any new hoppers who think they are going to run those corners. I would avoid B'More at all costs.
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    Baltimore will be a tough game - though the weakness in the DB's will surely be exploited to greater extent than was the case against Atlanta.

    Flacco is getting plenty of praise for his first 3 games - and rightly so, but who have they really played?

    A rebuilding KC, a struggling San Diego team and a dire Cleveland team.

    Against Rivers they shipped 436 yards through the air and 26 points - i'm guessing, that without Tomlinson, they have become a good deal more one dimensional as an offense.

    The way to attack this defense is to pass to open up the run - but i'd definitely recommend less shotgun (and yes, especially in the redzone).

    Maroney, Morris and Taylor had a very nice outing this week - as a trio they can be very dangerous - I hope we don't get too far away from the relative balance of the Atlanta game.

    I've been impressed with the efforts of the 4 man front to stop the run so far - Mcgahee and Rice are a decent tandem so they'll have to be consistent in defending them.

    Flacco will be easier to defend if we can make him become more one dimensional - whether that be by scoreboard pressure or by nullifying the running game.

    I like our chances - I will need alot more evidence to buy into the Ravens as an offensive powerhouse - by the same token I think their D will improve as the year goes along.
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    Actually, teams like B'More and Pittsburgh always seem to leave you with a longer list on the following weeks' injury report. For that reason, I'd rather have them in the first half and get guys back in time for the playoffs (Like Dillon early in the 2004 season vs. Pittsburgh).
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    Baltimore ain't that bad. Canton, the Inner Harbor, Federal Hill, and Fells Point are all really neat to check out and safe.
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    There is no better team I want to face this week to see how improved we are going to be than to meet the best defense in the NFL in the Ravens....This test we MUST PASS to graduate into the Elite status again.
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    I agree it's going to be a benchmark test for us as a team, on both sides of the ball.

    Ravens are one of the most complete teams we'll be facing.
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    Not sure if you folks know this or not but the NFL Network is putting together a series of "greatest games ever played" and wala at 7pm on Friday they are featuring the 2007 Matchup of the Pats and Ravens. If I remember correctly that was the closest the Pats came to losing in the regular season that year. It was an extremely hard fought and brutally intense game. Perfect timing I guess.

    For the guy who said go to DC....( I lived in Maryland for a number of years when I worked in Washington).....DC has some of the worst war torn neighborhoods I've ever seen. The bad parts of Baltimore are no worse than the bad parts of other major cities. And one of the best kept secrets in the NFL.... going to their (Ravens) stadium is a blast. One side of the stadium is flanked by a hoppin party in the streets kind of neighborhood with outdoor bars, markets, and restaurants. The other side is flanked by warehouses and parking lots but you can catch live bands playing often on the loading docks and a major party atmosphere abounds. In the middle you have regular tailgaiting lots and one unusual area thats underneath the interstate (a giant covered tailgating area if you will). I've been around the league and its one of the best NFL experieces as far as going to a game. I'll stop rambling but not before I tell you the worst stadium I've ever been too. Its also in Maryland. The redskins stadium is the worst sterile dump I've ever had to watch a football game. Its like a wasteland surrounded by nothing but parking lot, black top after black top. Place has Zero soul even though there are plenty of avid skins fans. Getting in and out was a misery. Never again. Even if the Pats came to play there.

    edit: I went to Ravens stadium 5 times, all nosebleed seats, but still good view of field, and pretty nice panorama of the harbor and city. Its in my top 3 stadiums. The fans can be a might bit rough on other jerseys but not violent (excepting maybe steeler fans).
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    Agreed. For someone that lived in Baltimore for 4 years, that city gets a bad rap. I loved it there.

    And "The Wire" is fantastic.
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    I live right outside Baltimore and have lived here for 20 years. I really like Baltimore even though I don't like there sports teams, but they have a good fan base. They just put up a brand new Hilton that overlooks Camden Yards and they look like they are cleaning it up a little. I have never had a problem in baltimore but that could attribute something to me being 6'7" 350lbs. haha I have been held up twice in D.C. though. I work as an engineer in D.C. for a construction company and I would have to say D.C. is definitely worse than Baltimore.
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    Agreed. I stayed in DC earlier this year at the Willard Hotel, an upscale place. I could look out my window and see a guy sleeping on the sidewalk, with bags of trash piled around. Driving into town, i passed through sections that were worse than anything I ever saw in Balmer, and more like what I'd expect in Detroit or Chicago.

    Interesting enough, Washington DC, according to the 2007 FBI crime statistics, has a higher firearms death rate than Baghdad. :eek:

    In fact, for a city that up until last year outright BANNED handguns, it had the highest fire-arms related crime rates in the nation.

    just saying. :cool:
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    Anyway back to the game ahead. Talk about the cities as you wish as well. But this 4th game marks the 1st quarter of the season, and it really does have playoff and homefield implications (thats what is great about the NFL, every dang game is so important, some are just more important). This one is more important. The Pats are going to able to move the ball in the air for sure. The Raven secondary have the two fastest corners around now (Foxworth and Washington) but they don't have their communication down yet and are not gelled into what McAlister and Rolle once were with the safeties operating as a unit. That means Brady will get yards through the air. Maybe one good reason that WE ARE playing them now rather than later (and as someone said we will play them later, very good chance of that too, the question is WHERE they will meet again). Moss could have a huge game based on the fact that the small raven corners are having trouble against big targets and a big Brady-Moss day is due. No McAlister to physically play with Moss. Where is McAlister anyway? I think the Pats should look at that guy if hes available. I watched Champ Baily, and I watched Samuel, Mathis and Clements (Hall and Sheppard too). There are no perfect shutdown guys in the league except maybe Baily and since ole Dion Sanders. They all get burned during the coarse of a season here and there. But when McAlister was on, he could make top receivers dissapear for 60 minutes. ... going off topic. back on topic....

    I have watched most of the AFC games so far this year. I think what it boils down to is how well the Pats stop the run. Even though Flacco has thrown for a couple 300 yard games, I think they are not going to let Flacco carry the gameplan. I believe the Ravens will come here and run. The competition and game situations have allowed for them to pass a lot. They didnt care if their defense was on the field against KC or Cleveland - they expected points from that. And don't get caught up in how the chiefs kept it close in the ravens opener, KC was outgained like 500 to 175 yards or something and the chiefs kept it close by luck. Here in Foxboro the ravens want clock and less time for Brady. If Welker gets back this week, Brady automatically improves by a good measure. Keep the ravens run game to under 110 or so ground yards and we got em. That might seem like a fair amount of ground yards but they will need 150+ to win this game. Keep that ground figure reasonable and the rest will fall in place. Close that it might be. Just my take, as its fun to guess how it unfolds.
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    Flacco reminds me of Rivers in a lot of ways (not the way they carry themselves, the way they play).

    The Baltimore and Atlanta games struck as really similar in terms of our chances. Both have pretty good to very good QBs, good running games, and a defense that is hit or miss.

    I can't really gauge the Baltimore defense though. They did enough to win, but apart from the shellacking that took place yesterday, their defense hasn't been vintage.

    For the love of anything holy, don't cite The Wire as a representation of the city. They have one of the most ridiculously Yuppytastic sections of any city I have ever seen.
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