Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by SVN, Jan 6, 2010.
Ravens defense back to normal? - Extra Points - Boston.com
Their corners were bad when we played them, with all the injuries they've suffered in the secondary makes them even worse now.
I might have to agree with the CB's being bad but the secondary is now playing as a unit v.s. individual players TRYING to make plays. MAttison was still coming into his own and learning the strength/weaknesses of his defense. We are a totally different type of defense then in the past. We play more base and a lot less outside blitzing. The responsibility of the front line is not only to plug the gaps and keep guys of the LB's but to get penetration from the middle (lol).
The Patriots aren't the same team that played the Jets back in September, so we shouldn't assume the Ravens are the same team that we saw the first time around. The numbers certainly indicate that the Ravens' defense has improved since then, regardless of their injuries.
Seems like both teams utilize a bend-don't break defense in order to cover up some deficiencies, as opposed to the attacking defenses that are willing to give up an occasional big play in exchange for a larger number of turnovers and big plays by their defense.
Wrong, but a valiant effort.
worst case, we get the an early draft pick
we're already slotted to pick at no. 25
What color was the towel that you just threw in?
No, they are not. Not yet.
Rules have changed for the upcoming draft, IF the Patriots should lose on Sunday they are going to get at most the 23rd slot and possibly the 22nd slot if the Packers lose.
My mistake, you are right.
Let me translate:
Our defense was getting run over by good or reasonable teams. However, when we hit a streak of Detroit type teams, we padded our stats.
Anyone see how we crushed Oakland's offense?
It's obvious you are just being a dick. Let me translate it for you, since it seems comprehension is lacking on your behalf.... Players were not falling inline with the Mattison approach to things (defense). They were playing out of postion and with the Rex Ryan mentality of no control and no real assignment. Guys are NOW playing within the scheme, not being as selfish and understand the overall concept of the new DC. The numbers dont lie, things have turned around well since the bye week ( week 7). Anyone see how the damn BILLS crushed the Pats Defense?
How did the Bills crush the Pats D? Which game?
Yup and it showed against Detroit, Chicago, Oakland, and the non Big Ben Steelers.
Thanks for playing.
Truth. . .
What special things did Big Ben do over Dixon? We held the Steelers ( w/Big Jen) to under 300 TOTAL yards of offense. So, maybe you should actually know the stats within the game before coming in like you know what the hell you are talking about.
Charlie Frye and Jamarcus Russell combined last week for 27-39-282 in a must win game for the Ravens. It's only one game but it's tough to be overly concerned about that pass defense.
Good comeback! And thanks for the refreshing humor. This thread was getting a little pis sy.
Not sure how you can argue against his point? As you said the numbers don't lie. Here are the offensive passing rankings of your last 10 opponents:
Den - 13th
Cin - 26th
Cle - 32nd
Indy - 2nd
Pit - 9th
GB - 7th
Det - 21st
Chi - 17th
Pit - 9th
Oak - 29th
Not to mention the other two games against the Browns and Bengals.
So, we did what we were supposed to on defense (limit the points a team scores) and thats labled as a bad thing? Sounds like pointless banter to me.
Seems like the blind is leading the blind over here.
Your secondary was garbage before the bye, then you play 3 games against top 10 passing teams (taking out the Dixon led steelers game) and then 4 games against the bottom of the league passing teams. And 3 in the middle.
It wasn't exactly murderers row. Nothing blind about it. Do you think it was a coincidence that your passing defense improved dramatically over the past ten weeks when you played 7 games against mediocre to terrible passing teams?
The passing defense was not the ONLY catagory inwhich was improved upon. Fact is we were stuggling in the run game too.
Our schedule was FAR and away tougher then yours, don't even try that! Why are you trying to battle this? Seems you like pissing in the wind too.
Stats are great. I know the game. Here's a hint:
An offense tends to not rack up as many yards as normal if they start deep in the opponents territory. Ya might want to "stat" over and look at where the Squeelers got the ball.
The only chance they got seriously rack up yards was at the end of the first half. (That's that 94 yard TD drive)
So much for your stats. What's next?
Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City,Oakland, and Cleveland (twice) was murderer's row.
Sport, we talk football here. The bafoon auditions are over at the Jets site.
Here's the part where you argue that you had to play Indy and Denver.
It wasnt like they're were scoring on every drive, I don't see the reasoning. If the Defense steps up and keeps them out of the Endzone/uprights how is that a bad thing? Think about it, the field was sooo short and yet "moved the ball at will" but only scored 23 points with all of those short field chances. Did you see the RUSHING stats? LOL, let me guess, they didnt have far to go so rushing yards were hard to come by.
And San diego, Minnesota, Green Bay , the Pats ofcourse. So, "Sport" look at the WHOLE picture.
Btw, giving misc. Knicknames are only filler in an argument.
You know that you don't have to defend your team at every corner, right?
The Ravens haven't beaten a single quality opponent outside of week two in San Diego, period.
Baltimore has certainly come close in virtually every single loss, as Pats fans know well, but the fact remains that we've still lost all those games.
Our stats look good because we've been respectable to moderately bad against good teams, yet absolutely demolished the bottom-feeder squads.
There really isn't an argument about anything that I've said, unless you want to contend that Dennis Dixon and the Steelers, who didn't make the playoffs, was a quality win in Baltimore, or the playoff-less Denver Broncos, who finished their season 2-8, was a high-caliber win in Baltimore.
So then, if it happens this week you just change your song into "the ravens have only beaten two quality teams" We beat the teams we were supposed to and played the others tight. Granted, close isn't good enough.
No, I'll say that the Ravens actually are actually heating up at the right time of the year, and not just beating up on bad teams.
As it stands right now, though, we've gotten all excited about blowing out a Detroit team by 40+ points, and crushing the Bears by 20+, but the fact remains that even on hot-streaks, any team that is remotely competitive has beaten us.
There is a reason why we've lost every close game, and it's not bad luck nor coincidence. . .
I was never excited about the blowout victories of DET or Chi, I'm excited about the playoffs and the chances we have been alloted to turn a decent season into a good one.
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