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He turned S, a position of strength with depth and experience, and turned it into its Defense weakest link. It is a clear indictment given Chad Henne and Fitzpatrick are carving his defense up on avg 400 yards a game. Given all the Secondary injuries over last few years if he expected to come out unscathched the he looks like a fool right now.

....and that is the annual saying, we will address next season. How about they play this season first, unless ofcourse he's thrown in the towel and expects to go down flaming with Brown and Barrett and D getting torched for 400 a game, and positioned as #31 ranked D after 3 weeks.

I think he believed we'd see a little more consistent pressure to at least disrupt those throws. When you have all the time in the world to survey the field, that allows any qb to be more effective. That's a problem they obviously have to fix.
 
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Watching Ninkovich rush the passer made me want to puke. Thank god we've locked him up for a while...:rolleyes:
 
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Given the history of the position with this team, if BB isn't expecting injuries to his safeties, he's an idiot. I don't think he's an idiot.

I wasn't saying that, but I think hoping and expecting are different things. I think he was hoping Chung already had his injury issues last year and this season would be a healthier year. Obviously breaking his thumb last week jamming Gates was something nobody thought would happen, along with the subsequent surgery.
 
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We all understand the #1 issue for the defense: we don't have a free safety.

INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINE
I think that the DT next to Wilfork is important. We do need Haynsworth more, with Pryor on IR, and Wright out for the forseeable future. Love and Cohen will continue to develop (I like them both in their roles), but it is a big step down from Pryor and Haynsworth. But looking to mid-season, we should be better off. We need availability from Haynsworth or for Love or Cohen to improve.

SPIKES
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He's a big question mark to whom Belichick seems to want to give a major role. He was out there about as much as Guyton, Fletcher, Anderson and Cunningham combined. I think that he will be tested. But we do have options to move to if Spikes doesn't improve. Fletcher and Guyton would simply get more reps. So, I don't think that this is a long-term problem for the team. It is just a matter of playing the better player.

Your ends yesterday were Carter and Ellis - and as I posted originally Ellis hasn't been effective so far - and I don't have a good explanation for that. They brought pressure inside with Wilfork and Haynesworth during the preseason, and were able to get pressure off the ends early on during those games also. That hasn't happened so far this season the way we thought it would.

As for the outside linebackers, you have Ninkovich - who has played well, and then as I said you have Spikes - who is a guy I just don't understand at all.
 
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We all understand the #1 issue for the defense: we don't have a free safety.

INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINE
I think that the DT next to Wilfork is important. We do need Haynsworth more, with Pryor on IR, and Wright out for the forseeable future. Love and Cohen will continue to develop (I like them both in their roles), but it is a big step down from Pryor and Haynsworth. But looking to mid-season, we should be better off. We need availability from Haynsworth or for Love or Cohen to improve.

SPIKES
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He's a big question mark to whom Belichick seems to want to give a major role. He was out there about as much as Guyton, Fletcher, Anderson and Cunningham combined. I think that he will be tested. But we do have options to move to if Spikes doesn't improve. Fletcher and Guyton would simply get more reps. So, I don't think that this is a long-term problem for the team. It is just a matter of playing the better player.

Spikes had been out for a while, so I'm giving him slack.
 
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Your ends yesterday were Carter and Ellis - and as I posted originally Ellis hasn't been effective so far - and I don't have a good explanation for that. They brought pressure inside with Wilfork and Haynesworth during the preseason, and were able to get pressure off the ends early on during those games also. That hasn't happened so far this season the way we thought it would.

As for the outside linebackers, you have Ninkovich - who has played well, and then as I said you have Spikes - who is a guy I just don't understand at all.

Precisely.....
DE's
Carter - 32 yr old Redskin castoff(one of the worst D last year)
Anderson - 28 yr old. could not stick on Texans or Bears 4-3 last year
Wright - likely out rest of the year with another concussion
Ellis - 34 yr old whose best days are behind him. mostly 3-4

OLB's
Ninkovich - decent backup, and that's what he is. Not starter material. He is waiver wire material from Miami and New Orleans
Spikes - headcase and heading fast towards being a bust.
Cunningham - injured and has done nothing thus year. 1 sack last yr


Tell me one of these DE or OLB is a legit threat other Offenses have to account for to bring CONSISTENT Pressure as expected from 4-3 DE and OLB's ?
 
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Go back to their ugly losses and you will see the same thing, the fact is even when other teams are conceding the run, they still don't run.
Sometimes O'Brien acts like running the ball is against the rules or something. He's clearly a bright OC but his situational playcalling is baffling at times.
 
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Watching Ninkovich rush the passer made me want to puke. Thank god we've locked him up for a while...:rolleyes:

C'mon. he's not that bad :D

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I wasn't saying that, but I think hoping and expecting are different things. I think he was hoping Chung already had his injury issues last year and this season would be a healthier year. Obviously breaking his thumb last week jamming Gates was something nobody thought would happen, along with the subsequent surgery.

"Hope" is a beautiful thing to count on in a collision sport.
 
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We were 63%-37% pass-run yesterday with our blocking TE unavailable because he had to start at RT. I think that 60-40 is fine for a Brady-led team. Also, we have a new fullback in Fletcher.

Sometimes O'Brien acts like running the ball is against the rules or something. He's clearly a bright OC but his situational playcalling is baffling at times.
 
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I don't know why people are giving Ninkovich grief. He's a decent rotational guy. But he's not a pass rusher, and I don't know how it's his fault they're trying to use him in a role he's not suited for.
 
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Sometimes O'Brien acts like running the ball is against the rules or something. He's clearly a bright OC but his situational playcalling is baffling at times.


I completely agree but for this one part ... may be like a fluorescent tube light which eventually catches on :eek:
 
True, but I still believe he doesn't go into the season "expecting" someone specifically to get hurt. They just try to accumulate enough depth to have someone who can step in and hopefully perform when someone goes down at each position.
 
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I think he believed we'd see a little more consistent pressure to at least disrupt those throws. When you have all the time in the world to survey the field, that allows any qb to be more effective. That's a problem they obviously have to fix.

So now we can add another problem to fix "next" season. I guess accountability can keeps getting kicked down another year. Where was the accountability this year to fix above issue of QB's having all the time in the world to survey and pass. This is not something new. Maybe us dumb fans don't get the intricate complexities of football but we do get the fact that Pats D can't put pressure and can't get off the field on 3rd downs. Consistent theme last 5-6 years.

Yes, despite that they've been successful and only because he has Brady. Face it in the end Brady has marched through turnstyle WR, basically no running back(except for 1.5 yrs of Corey). We saw how well BB was exposed in Cleveland when neither Kosar or Testaverde could be his savior.

The strangest part is he of all people should know the value of pressure Defense having been part of killer Giants D of Taylor, Banks, Carson, Pepper, Reasons, Martin, Marshall, Burt, Dorsey !! Starting front 7 masked what was an average Defensive secondary.
 
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This a passing league. We play lots of passing teams. Besides, we WANT to get ahead early in games, leading teams to even more passing.

We play three corners a lot. Our backup is Arrington who played a lot when Dowling was out. Arrington was available for another role againt Miami, when we had three healthy corners. This is all fine.

We play three safeties a lot. We had no backup when Chung was out.
(This ignores the quality of play that we have gotten so far from Brown and Barrett. That is a separate issue from not having any depth).

BOTTOM LINE
The quality of the safeties other than Chung is one issue. The lack of depth is a second issue. The first is an evaluation issue, and perhaps Belichick is right. Perhaps these two will be much better later this year. The issues of depth (for injury protection) and the issue of not having a vet on the roster in case one of Barrett or Barrett was slow to learn, is simply lack of planning. We have enough roster spots for a 4th safety who can play safety. That makes 8 defensive roster spots for secondary players who can actually play of the defense if called upon.

True, but I still believe he doesn't go into the season "expecting" someone specifically to get hurt. They just try to accumulate enough depth to have someone who can step in and hopefully perform when someone goes down at each position.
 
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I don't know why people are giving Ninkovich grief. He's a decent rotational guy. But he's not a pass rusher, and I don't know how it's his fault they're trying to use him in a role he's not suited for.


Bingo. I think that is the problem with the D right now, the coaching staff is asking these guys to play roles they are not skilled or talented enough to play.
 
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I just want him to answer a question. Why after Ridley goes for 8 and 4 back to back do you go empty backfield? Is that not the perfect spot for play action? I don't want his pink slip but I question his reluctance to take what the defense is giving just like the Jets playoff loss last year. There are times, against the Steelers, when spreading it out is perfect. There are other times where they need to play situational football and do not.

My guess is that after the two straight good runs with a no-huddle, the Bills may have been able to get run stuffing new personnel on the field and B.O'B decided he had a different matchup strength as a result.
 
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Great stuff Ian. I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to have been at the game yesterday. As with every game you go to (as opposed to watching on TV), there are some things you see that you just don't otherwise.

Ochocinco: I think it's pretty clear he's got a confidence problem, and I'm guessing he heard about it from Brady on the sidelines following the interception where McKelvin stepped inside after Ochocinco rounded his route off. I think that also played a part of the drop, because I'm sure he was pressing to make a play to make up for it. On that drive they scored anyway - but the big issue was the fact they needed 10 plays and another 5 minutes after that to do it. We're only three games in and he's making progress, so let's not bury him at this point when there's still 13 games left. They're going to need him - because no one's walking through that door.

Agreed 100%. I was on the Pats sideline (40 yd line) and Brady went straight over to chad on that interception and they got into a DEEP discussion. Not argument persay and I have to say Tom actually was annoyed, but it's clear he was trying to get through to Chad. In a positive way though.

Watching the play, I'd say it looked as if Ocho got muscled out of his route just enough that the defender got inside him. Clearly problems still exist.

Bill O'Brien: For those looking to give him his pink slip: they scored 31 points yesterday and did a great job moving the football on almost every drive. I mean let's be honest, they only punted three times yesterday. Those four picks were tough and really killed them.

4 picks sealed this game.... those aren't on BOB. Tom looked off yesterday, all game. Sounds silly to say on a 350+, 4 TD game, but he was. He was furiously throwing all game on the sideline between drives and I know he likes to do that, but seemed a little more urgent about it. He missed some open guys too.

Tom Brady: He had a tough game, but I'd have to only put one of those picks on him (the one he underthrew to Gronk). The others were just great plays by Buffalo and one was just a tough deflection. When he starts actually throwing the ball right to opposing defenders and making stupid decisions, then I'll worry. But obviously we're no where near that yet.

I'd actually put more on him. Deflections happen a lot of times on balls that are just too close to defenders. The one on Julian was a bad throw. He could have got it, but it would have had to have been a spectacular play.

Julien Edelman: I had my doubts about him, but he's done exactly what he's needed to when called upon and looks more confident this season vs. last year when he had the "deer in headlights" look. He's returning the ball well and was fairly productive offensively despite a low number of offensive snaps yesterday. Not much more you can ask from a 7th round pick.

Agreed

Deion Branch: I questioned him after the preseason, but I was wrong - and he's played well to this point. He and Ochocinco drew a lot of the coverage yesterday and both were doubled at times. There was also one play where Brady missed him badly that would have been a completion. But after re-watching part of it this morning, that's one of the main reasons he only saw three targets yesterday.

Deion was covered like a rug yesterday. Credit the Bills there. They gameplanned for him and made him a non-factor.

BenJarvus Green-Ellis: He didn't have it yesterday, although I thought they overreacted with some of the situations they put other guys in (Edelman has no business carrying the ball as a tailback in that formation). Part of me wonders if Green-Ellis is nursing a hamstring injury or something to that effect, because he didn't look like his usual self and didn't run like it either.

Agreed. I loved what I saw in Riddley. It's what we missed last year. When BJGE and Woodhead became ineffective, Riddley was able to come in and really change it up some and loosen the defense. We could have used that last year against the JETS.

Brandon Spikes: He was out of position more times than not and his random acts of celebration left me shaking my head. I don't quite understand him.

Defensive Line: I know everyone loves to talk about the lack of pass rush, but I honestly have to agree with some of the criticism. After watching them in the first two preseason games and seeing what a force they appeared to be, it's staggering watching the regression from what we thought they'd be. Shaun Ellis has been virtually invisible, as has the same guys who made us believe from their play during the preseason we were going to have an incredible group of players getting after the quarterback this year. I know they've got some guys banged up, but it's still a mystery to say the least.

Devin McCourty: He's just a guy with a confidence problem who didn't get a chance to get better during the offseason. I honestly believe being away from the coaching staff for the entire offseason and not being able to improve on his weaknesses is killing him now. Teams obviously looked at film and saw how to attack him, and they're throwing at him like he's still a rookie. However, he's too good of a player to make me believe he won't come around, and again - it's only the 3rd game of the year and I have a hard time believing this is as good (or bad - if you want to look at it that way) as he's going to be this season.

Couldn't agree more on all three points.

Needless to say I understand the frustration. I know it was a winnable game, but as much as I hate to say it, they played a very good Bills team that capitalized and did what they needed to. I get that the Pats were up 21-0, but you have to give credit to some of the great plays Buffalo made yesterday. The mistakes and turnovers were what cost them the game, and hopefully they learn from it and turn it around.

But for those of you who are ready to start purging coaches, players, etc., I'd reserve a little more judgement until we've played more than three football games and have more guys back healthy. It's too long a season to start jumping off the wagon just yet.

Thank you for saying what needed to be said. The sky is not falling.
 
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We were 63%-37% pass-run yesterday with our blocking TE unavailable because he had to start at RT. I think that 60-40 is fine for a Brady-led team. Also, we have a new fullback in Fletcher.


For the season, 65% - 35% (Pass to Run). Can't give an excuse that Pats have to throw this much because they were playing from behind. In all 3 games they had comfortable leads.

This is coaching/OC idiots. At this rate QB will have 709 attempts (200+ more than last year) provided he or his right arm can last 16 games.
 
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Yes...so true. They lost a game because of mistakes to a very hungry team in their own house. There will be adjustments and onto the next game.
 
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