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    Some thoughts from yesterday:

    Ochocinco: I think it's pretty clear he's got a confidence problem, and I'm guessing he heard about it from Brady on the sidelines following the interception where McKelvin stepped inside after Ochocinco rounded his route off. I think that also played a part of the drop, because I'm sure he was pressing to make a play to make up for it. On that drive they scored anyway - but the big issue was the fact they needed 10 plays and another 5 minutes after that to do it. We're only three games in and he's making progress, so let's not bury him at this point when there's still 13 games left. They're going to need him - because no one's walking through that door.

    Randy Moss: To follow up on the above last sentence, I heard the Schefter report, and in case there's still a few of you out there, Moss is not coming back - ever. Let it go.

    Bill O'Brien: For those looking to give him his pink slip: they scored 31 points yesterday and did a great job moving the football on almost every drive. I mean let's be honest, they only punted three times yesterday. Those four picks were tough and really killed them.

    Tom Brady: He had a tough game, but I'd have to only put one of those picks on him (the one he underthrew to Gronk). The others were just great plays by Buffalo and one was just a tough deflection. When he starts actually throwing the ball right to opposing defenders and making stupid decisions, then I'll worry. But obviously we're no where near that yet.

    Julien Edelman: I had my doubts about him, but he's done exactly what he's needed to when called upon and looks more confident this season vs. last year when he had the "deer in headlights" look. He's returning the ball well and was fairly productive offensively despite a low number of offensive snaps yesterday. Not much more you can ask from a 7th round pick.

    Deion Branch: I questioned him after the preseason, but I was wrong - and he's played well to this point. He and Ochocinco drew a lot of the coverage yesterday and both were doubled at times. There was also one play where Brady missed him badly that would have been a completion. But after re-watching part of it this morning, that's one of the main reasons he only saw three targets yesterday.

    BenJarvus Green-Ellis: He didn't have it yesterday, although I thought they overreacted with some of the situations they put other guys in (Edelman has no business carrying the ball as a tailback in that formation). Part of me wonders if Green-Ellis is nursing a hamstring injury or something to that effect, because he didn't look like his usual self and didn't run like it either.

    Brandon Spikes: He was out of position more times than not and his random acts of celebration left me shaking my head. I don't quite understand him.

    Defensive Line: I know everyone loves to talk about the lack of pass rush, but I honestly have to agree with some of the criticism. After watching them in the first two preseason games and seeing what a force they appeared to be, it's staggering watching the regression from what we thought they'd be. Shaun Ellis has been virtually invisible, as has the same guys who made us believe from their play during the preseason we were going to have an incredible group of players getting after the quarterback this year. I know they've got some guys banged up, but it's still a mystery to say the least.

    Devin McCourty: He's just a guy with a confidence problem who didn't get a chance to get better during the offseason. I honestly believe being away from the coaching staff for the entire offseason and not being able to improve on his weaknesses is killing him now. Teams obviously looked at film and saw how to attack him, and they're throwing at him like he's still a rookie. However, he's too good of a player to make me believe he won't come around, and again - it's only the 3rd game of the year and I have a hard time believing this is as good (or bad - if you want to look at it that way) as he's going to be this season.

    Leigh Bodden: He's another guy I believe got hurt by not being able to work through minicamps and OTA's. Coming off of a shoulder injury I think he could have used the work, and I think the other part of the problem is conditioning because he looked gassed on the play he got beat deep. However, like McCourty, I believe he'll come around eventually.

    Needless to say I understand the frustration. I know it was a winnable game, but as much as I hate to say it, they played a very good Bills team that capitalized and did what they needed to. I get that the Pats were up 21-0, but you have to give credit to some of the great plays Buffalo made yesterday. The mistakes and turnovers were what cost them the game, and hopefully they learn from it and turn it around.

    But for those of you who are ready to start purging coaches, players, etc., I'd reserve a little more judgement until we've played more than three football games and have more guys back healthy. It's too long a season to start jumping off the wagon just yet.
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    Re: Rational Thoughts - Only like minded people need apply

    Good post bro.

    I agree whole-heartedly.
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    I dont know what it is, but Dmac just seems slower by a step. perhaps he is hurt?

    Ocho is a great, hard working player. Lets give him a break. He will be much needed come mid season. He dropped a pass that could have helped win the game..but guess what? Drops happen to every single WR.

    Tom Brady was great yesterday..a solid B.

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start to get to the QB Deffense.
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    I actually don't mind some of the 'fans' jumping off the bandwagon.
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    How did Ridley look? I had to go to work before halftime. His stats look good on paper.
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    I agree with basically everything here. They don't need better coaching or better players. They need a few more weeks of the current coaching for the current players.
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    He looked good to me. There was one play specifically where it looked like he had been shot out of a cannon as fast as he was running downfield. I like this guy alot.
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    Also on ocho..I wish that he didnt tame him self. I think Ocho is better with his swagger and confidence.
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    Great post, Ian. I think I agree with everything except the part about Edelman, specifically:

    Once you are past the draft and you make the starting team, you have starter expectations no matter when you were drafted. Draft pick numbers get set to 0 in my mind, across the board. If Edelman expects to play as a starter, I have starter expectations of him. That said, he didn't really do anything to disappoint yesterday but he also didn't really impress.
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    He ran the ball well yesterday. He's quick and doesn't waste time hitting the holes, and obviously that's one of the reasons he's been productive this season.
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    I just want him to answer a question. Why after Ridley goes for 8 and 4 back to back do you go empty backfield? Is that not the perfect spot for play action? I don't want his pink slip but I question his reluctance to take what the defense is giving just like the Jets playoff loss last year. There are times, against the Steelers, when spreading it out is perfect. There are other times where they need to play situational football and do not.
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    He is playing like a starter - he's just not playing like a 'star' and I think that's one of the mistakes people make with him. He might look like Wes Welker, but there's a reason why #83 went out there and caught 16 passes yesterday - because Welker is just simply that much better. That's no knock on Edelman, but he's not a top 3 guy. He's simply a guy that can catch passes when he's open and does a great job in the return game.
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    Ian - My concern with O'Brien is a point you brought up. Why have Edelman out there at RB when you have Ridley, Woodhead, and BJGE? Also, where were the screens and the deeper routes? Get Slater out there for something other than blocking duty on run plays.

    The decisions by him, Brady and BB to not run the ball until the 2nd half should be questioned despite how well they moved the ball. The lack of running the ball cost them. Particularly at the end of the 1st half.
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    What I don't understand is why they wouldn't use a heavy dose of Ridley when they were up by three scores. Instead they waited until they were tied/playing catch up. And then the ill-fated INT on a pass to Gronkowski in the red zone... where they should have been pounding the rock.
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    And they need a couple of the players they didn't have yesterday.
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    I hear what you're saying, but to be fair after the four yard run by Ridley, Brady had Gronk wide open and underthrew him on what would have been a touchdown. Hard to argue that call.
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    I normally defend O'Brien. Too many questionable calls yesterday makes that impossible to do, though. He deserves the criticism he'll get for that game.
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    I don't think this kind of thinking belongs on this thread. This is a Bill O'brien is in charge of the most productive offense in the league thread. Screw smart common sense football.:eek:
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    I hear you, but as I posted Gronk would have scored if Brady hadn't underthrew it. It was the only real bad play he made out of the three picks.
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    McCourty has been bad since exhibition season. He's getting targeted deliberately, and he's getting beaten so badly that red-headed stepchildren probably feel sorry for him. He's had enough time to study film and see what he's doing wrong, and he's not learning a new system, so I'm not buying that type of argument. We need to hope that he gets himself right, because he's killing the defense right now.
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