Rating the Patriots' HCs

[PatsWickedPissah]

1. Bill Belichick (DUH!)
2. Chuck Fairbanks (Woulda won our 1st SB were it not for Ben Dreith's deal with the Dark Side)
3. Mike Holovak (got lots outa below avg talent & hadda deal with the Sulluvan 'braintrust' (sic))
4. Bill Parcells (still hate him for tanking the SB)
5. Raymond Berry (good, unimaginative coach, flummoxed by the QB position)
6. Lou Saban (hard ass)
7. Pete Carroll (undisciplined, some talent but screwed by the GM)
8. Ron Erhardt (a prototypical Pete Carroll)
9. Ron Meyer
10. John Mazur (gets really bad from here down)
11. Phil Bengston
12. **** McPherson
13. Rod Rust
14. Clive Rush

-pwp (inspired by a USENET post)

 

[Pats Fanatic]

Great list, nothing I can disagree with at all.

 

[shirtsleeve]

1. Bill Belichick (DUH!)
2. Chuck Fairbanks (Woulda won our 1st SB were it not for Ben Dreith's deal with the Dark Side)
3. Mike Holovak (got lots outa below avg talent & hadda deal with the Sulluvan 'braintrust' (sic))
4. Bill Parcells (still hate him for tanking the SB)
5. Raymond Berry (good, unimaginative coach, flummoxed by the QB position)
6. Lou Saban (hard ass)
7. Pete Carroll (undisciplined, some talent but screwed by the GM)
8. Ron Erhardt (a prototypical Pete Carroll)
9. Ron Meyer
10. John Mazur (gets really bad from here down)
11. Phil Bengston
12. **** McPherson
13. Rod Rust
14. Clive Rush

-pwp (inspired by a USENET post)

Have to put the Tuna at #2, and Mayer at #5, sliding the others respectively.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I think Clive should be ahead of Rod. Am I right , Zuma?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Have to put the Tuna at #2, and Mayer at #5, sliding the others respectively.

Why? ???????????

 

[shirtsleeve]

Why? ???????????

Tuna goes to #2 for bringing the talent, discipline, and mentally tough attitude to NE which enabled that, and subsequent SB runs. A few of his players were still with the team when we won the first. A couple still survive.

Mayer goes to #5 for similar reasons. It was his team that Berry inherited for that first run. Mayer built the team, Berry ran it down similarly to Pete Carroll.

Or...'cause I said so?

 

[shakadave]

Parcells at least up to 3. Hard to push Fairbanks down much, though!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Tuna goes to #2 for bringing the talent, discipline, and mentally tough attitude to NE which enabled that, and subsequent SB runs. A few of his players were still with the team when we won the first. A couple still survive.

Mayer goes to #5 for similar reasons. It was his team that Berry inherited for that first run. Mayer built the team, Berry ran it down similarly to Pete Carroll.

Or...'cause I said so?

Decent reasons. I saw Fairbanks as someone who despite the owners (Sullivans) and their low budget built a very good team. He's MY #2.

I agree that Mayer built Berry's team and agree with that shift.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Thanks. You just confirmed something I thought when I saw the threads in which some people talked about Pete Carroll as a loser -- he isn't in the bottom five for Patriots coaches.

 

[DarrylS]

Gotta move Parcells to #3, imo he started this whole attitude and winning thing, he brought a lot to this table and paved the way for what we see today.

 

[italian pat patriot]

very interesting thread

i agree with the standing

 

[shirtsleeve]

Decent reasons. I saw Fairbanks as someone who despite the owners (Sullivans) and their low budget built a very good team. He's MY #2.

I agree that Mayer built Berry's team and agree with that shift.

Fairbanks and Charlie T. are really close in my book too. I had Fairbanks as a close third. Both outstanding coaches...

 

[Fanfrom1960]

Decent reasons. I saw Fairbanks as someone who despite the owners (Sullivans) and their low budget built a very good team. He's MY #2.

I agree that Mayer built Berry's team and agree with that shift.

Fairbanks walked off the team a couple of weeks before the end of the season, I think it was in 1978, when the Patriots were looking great, to go back to college coaching. The Pats then got smoked in their one playoff game. He also used Jim Plunkett as an option quarterback, which got him hurt, and ruined his chances as a Patriot. Fairbanks is an all time goat as far as I'm concerned.