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Ranked TC roster, per Greg Bedard

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    Couple of things jump out..

    The Guyton experiment may be coming to an end..

    Hernandez has been working out with the WR position players..

    Still have no clue what he is going to do with all these D linemen.
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    This is a kind of fascinating format: listing the full TC roster, not projecting a 53, but apparently listing the players at each position in order of where he thinks they stand. (He assumes a 4-3 defense.)

    To me, the real eyebrow raiser is Taylor Price, who he lists as the 8th WR -- behind not just Tate and Slater, but Darnell Jenkins.
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    Oops wrong thing.
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    Is it supposed to be ordered like that? Carson Butler higher than Lee Smith and Yeatman?
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    Honestly, I'm not certain. But it's clearly in SOME order which corresponds roughly to a depth chart.

    Maybe it's jut the order he thought of them? :rolleyes: It would have been nice if he actually told us!
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    what do you mean, he is the fastest LB we have and someone who can cover scat backs and TE`s off the line. He has a huge wingspan and good hands. look at the intercepts he had for pick 6 last year. I am confused. non of our other LB have his speed and range and is the perfect Nickel LB we have had. He is way faster than spikes ,flecter or other guys.

    with the fattys in the DL i think you will have Mayo and Guyton in there more as the fattys take care of the other fattys on the OL freeing your LB to run in open space. In that case why would you put spikes who is slower,flecter who is a DL in there in space instead of your fastest guy who can run.
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    No? Here's the offense you'd get by plucking the first listed players at each position (not counting PUP):

    Tom Brady
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis
    Deion Branch
    Wes Welker
    Rob Gronkowski
    Aaron Hernandez
    Sebastian Vollmer
    Nate Solder
    Dan Koppen
    Logan Mankins
    Dan Connolly

    If that's not a depth chart, it's an astonishing coincidence. ;)
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    With the rule change, I can't see how you keep a roster spot for what's basically your 7th receiver (behind Hernandez) to return kicks. Edelman, Price, whoever.
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    Tate, Edelman, maybe Price?
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    Let's give Bedard more credit than that.
    Morris over Faulk?
    Wilhite over Butler?
    Tate 4th?
    Price behind Jenkins and Slater?
    Butler ahead of lee smith?
    Moore, cunninham and Anderson over Carter?

    No way.
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    I already said I'm not sure if it's his projection because he doesn't say. What we do know is that it's very far from random. Maybe it could be a representation of what he's seen in practice so far in terms of who gets which reps?
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    Good, so we agree that it's not a ranked depth chart then.

    Nor is it ranked by reps in camp, as we can see by Light being at the top spot.
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    Good point. So then, if it's not a depth chart what the heck is it??? Bedard has to know that it will be read as a depth chart, since it largely corresponds to the expected pecking order.
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    Guys, it's not a depth chart. Starters might be right, but after that it's in no order at all. Mostly how easy it is for me to swap out players with all the transactions.

    I will be coming out with my first 53 on Thursday before the Jaguars game.

    Thanks for reading. I appreciate it.

    And if you have any thoughts on anything, don't be afraid to drop me a line at gbedard@globe.com.

    Good, bad or ugly, I welcome the feedback.
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    OK, thanks for the clarification! (Maybe alphabetical order next time? ;))
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    I take it as a list of 90 guys, nothing more. Maybe at some point 6 months ago it was a ranked list that he's been copy/pasting into randomly for the last two weeks.
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    Well, that certainly clears things up. I wish the Internet always cooperated like that.
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    Thank you for clearing that up. And thanks for the article too, good reading.
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    People on here love to cut starters.

    Guyton played roughly twice as many snaps as Spikes throughout the whole season (even when Spikes wasn't suspended). People for some reason here have decided that , despite him being the starter, hes the worst guy on the roster.
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    I don't really have a problem with any of those, other than maybe Price being behind Jenkins and Slater.


    I don't think either of Morris or Faulk make the team, so I'm not sure it mattesr.
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    Okay, I'll bite.

    Tate 4th. Over Edelman? Why?

    Why would you put Carson Butler over Lee Smith?

    And why Andre Carter 4th DE?

    I can at least imagine reasonable arguments for the rest.
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    Pfft, Dan Connolly, obvi :p
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    *sigh*

    Everyone seems to keep forgetting that they made TWO changes to KOs: the one everyone remembers is the KO being moved to the 35.

    Most people seem to forget that they also prohibit the KO coverage team from lining up more than five yards behind the ball.

    In other words, there might be fewer KOs being returned, but the ones that are returned are, if anything, more likely to go for big gains.
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    I prefer looking at the positions by similar sill sets; example... someone on SOSH broke down the line like this:

    DE/DT Hybrid
    RDE Mike Wright (99) 6-4, 295, 29 years, signed through 2012
    DE Shaun Ellis () 6-5, 290, 34 years, signed through 2011
    DE Darryl Richard (90) 6-4, 290, 25 years, signed through 2011

    Defensive Tackles/Interior Linemen
    DT Vince Wilfork (75) 6-1, 344, 29 years, signed through 2014
    DT Albert Haynesworth (92) 6-6, 320, 30 years, signed through 2015
    DT Kyle Love (74b) 6-1, 310, 24 years, signed through 2013
    DT Landon Cohen (66) 6-3, 300, 25 years, signed through 2011
    DT Myron Pryor (91) 6-0, 319, 25 years, signed through 2012
    DT Kade Weston (66) 6-5, 315, 23 years, signed through 2013
    DT Steve Williams () 6-2, 306, 29 years, signed through 2011
    DT Gerard Warren ( 6-4, 330, 33 years, signed through 2011
    DT Brandon Deaderick (71) 6-2, 300, 24 years, signed through 2013 (Active/PUP)
    DT Ron Brace (97) 6-3, 330, 24 years, signed through 2012 (Active/PUP)

    OLB/DE Hybrid
    LB Jermaine Cunningham (96) 6-3, 266, 23 years, signed through 2013
    LB Rob Ninkovich (50) 6-2, 255, 27 years, signed through 2011
    DE Eric Moore (98) 6-4, 268, 30 years, signed through 2011
    DE Andre Carter () 6-4, 257, 32 years, signed through 2011
    DE Mark Anderson (95) 6-4, 255, 28 years, signed through 2011
    LB Markell Carter (49) 6-4, 248, 22 years, signed through 2014
    LB Aaron Lavarias (60) 6-2, 255, 22 years, signed through 2013
    LB Clay Nurse (61b) 6-3, 260, 22 years, signed through 2013
    DE Alex Silvestro (61b) 6-3, 267, 22 years, signed through 2013
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    I believe Greg addressed that back in comment #17:
    The NFL does require all 32 teams to make public a depth chart as of yesterday. For some teams that may mean something; in my opinion it doesn't really mean all that much for the Patriots. For what it is worth, here is the current Patriots' "Official" - oops, make that "Unofficial" - Depth Chart:

    Official Website of the New England Patriots | Games & Stats - Depth Chart
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