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  1. Brady#12

    Brady#12 On the Game Day Roster

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    1. Tom Brady
    2. Peyton Manning
    3. Donovan McNabb

    4. Ben Rothelisberger
    5. Trent Green
    6. Matt Hasselbeck
    7. Jake Delhomme
    8. Carson Plamer
    9. Eli Manning
    10. Brett Favre
    11. Michael Vick
    12. Marc Bulger

    13. Drew Bledsoe
    14. Jake Plummer
    15. Drew Brees
    16. Steve McNair
    17. Daunte Culpepper
    18. Byron Leftwich
    19. Kurt Warner
    20. Brad Johnson
    21. A.Smith
    22. David Carr

    23. Mark Brunnel
    24. Chris Simms
    25. John Kitna
    26. Chad Pennington
    27. Charlie Frye
    28. Billy Volek
    29. Aaron Brooks
    30. Rex Grossman
    31. JP Losman
    32. Phillip Rivers

    Who have you got?
     
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    How can you have Phillip Rivers as the worst QB in the NFL. Theres no way Billy Volek is better than him and JP losman sucks. And Daunte Culpepper is 17. Yea by season end he WILL be the best QB in the NFL. No way tom brady the best.
     
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    Continue to defy history. Be my guest.
     
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    Aqua4Ever04 Banned

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    Are you joking? Michael Vick was rated lower than Gus Frerotte last year just to let you know. McNair, Plummer, Brees, Bledsoe, Vick, Favre and Manning and not better than Culpepper. He is the 4th rated passer ever and you are just angry because he's on the Dolphins now. This is the worst list I've ever seen.

    My top 10:

    1. Peyton Manning
    2. Carson Palmer
    3. Tom Brady (Ok, he has SBs, but a lot of QBs could've won with that team)
    4. Matt Hasslebeck
    5. Daunte Culpepper
    6. Trent Green
    7. Drew Brees
    8. Jake Delhomme
    9. Steve McNair (if ever healthy)
    10. Eli Manning
     
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    mavfan2390 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    If that's your excuse for Brady, what's your excuse for Manning? Huh?



    1. Brady
    2. Manning
    3. Hasselback
    4. Palmer
    5. Brees
    6. Big Ben
    7. HEALTHY Culpepper
    8. HEALTHY McNair
    9. Lil' Manning
    10. Green
     
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    Aqua4Ever04 Banned

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    How about the fact that the man knows exactlly what the defense is going to do every single play? The fact that every ball is on his recievers numbers and has the second quickest release ever. (Second to Marino obviously.) You can't deny Manning's greatness, I just don't know why he chokes it so bad in the post season. If you had put Manning on the Pats for those 3 super bowls, there is no doubt they would've won them all.

    As for your ranking, I have two big objections. First off, Ben Roethlisberger is a game manager. Put him in Tom Brady's situation last year and he would've had that team below .500.

    Secondly, how do you have the healthy mark by Culpepper and not by Brees' name? You do know the reason Drew isn't in Miami, is because he didn't meet standards on a physical right? Brees will struggle big time this year and Saban knew he was not going to be the same. Brees is in the middle of the pack as is Roethlisberger.
     
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    aquagay maybe if your lucky culpepper will sign a jock strap for you .then you can take it home and smell it and walk around the house with it on your head .
     
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    dryheat44 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Ignorant statement. The Patriots D picks him off about four times a game by confusing his reads.

    Ignorant statement. Who are you quoting here, because I'm sure you haven't clocked quarterbacks' releases. Do you even know what a good time is? Brady's release is quicker than Manning's. That is a verifiable fact. He's also more accurate.

    You just gave the reason why you can deny Manning's greatness. What's more important than not choking in big games?

    Ignorant statement. But it's a common one often said by the media: If you put Brady on the Colts and Manning on the Patriots, blah blah blah. The Pats would have won exactly zero titles with Manning. The Patriots don't have an all-star support cast on offense. Never have. I'll tell you what, if Brady played on the Colts, they would have won AT LEAST one SB by now, end of story.

    My take, without thinking too much about it? (Oh, and while I think Culpepper's pretty good, there is no doubt Moss made him look better than he is) Within each tier you can probably make an argument to shuffle people up and down.

    1. Brady
    2. Manning
    3. Palmer

    4. Hasselbeck
    5. McNabb
    6. Green
    7. Plummer
    8. Brees
    9. Delhomme

    10. Roethlisberger
    11. Culpepper
    12. McNair
    13. Bulger
    14. Leftwich

    15. Johnson
    16. Warner
    17. Pennington
    18. Favre
    19. Carr
    20. Manning
    21. Vick

    22. Kitna
    23. Brunell
    24. Volek
    25. Bledsoe
    26. Simms
    27. Frye

    28. Rivers (Only because he's a rook. I think, though, that by next year he'll be top 10. Just a gut.)

    29. Grossman
    30. Brooks
    31. Smith
    32. Losman
     
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    Well then why did he throw for just about 5000 yards and 50 TDs a couple years ago? He is the best passer in the NFL hands down.


    Manning's sack total is always lower, that's what I base it on.


    No talent around him huh? You're probably right, the Colts defense has always been way better than the Pats I bet. And if your coach is such a saint like all you guys say he is, doesn't that have a bit to do with it? If he can draw up a scheme to confuse the league's best QB, then I think he's doing a pretty good job.

    The fact that you have Culpepper below Plummer, Brees, Roethlisberger and Delhomme is much more ignorant than anything I have said. If Daunte was still playing for Minnesota, all of you guys would think that he is still a top 5 QB in the NFL. But since he's in Miami, you all are trying to make yourselves believe that he is no good. Man I can't wait till he shoves it up all of your a**es.
     
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    I'm sure the fact that he had two top ten wide recievers, a top five back, a top ten line, and a top half tight end with a pass-happy coach had nothing to do with it.


    The offensive line doesn't matter of course. Neither does the fact that he has two recievers that demand double coverage leaving less defenders to blitz.

    You said it yourself MANNING is a choke artist. Not the Colts. MANNING. Manning does not put his team is a position to win games the way Brady does, and that is the ONLY stat that matters. Ask ANY coach in the NFL who'd they'd rather have, I guarantee it would be Brady.

    Most intelligent thing you've ever said.
     
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    I'll bet you Gus Frerotte, JP Losman, Chad Pennington or the other scum QBs in the league could do that.


    How good was Dan Marino's defensive line? How about Miami's line last year? Even Gus Frerotte only surrenderd a little more than 20 sacks with one of the worse lines in the NFL. Release is a huge part of that.

    Would you rather have Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson over Dan Marino? Does the fact that they won Super Bowls make them better QBs? Absoltely not!



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    go blow yourself you insecure moron .nobody here even thinks about the dolphins we are interested in our own team .go take a flying f uck you goof.
     
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    Any one going to respond to my post? I was looking forward to a good debate but it looks like no one wants to talk. Any one here in the INTERLEAGUE FORUM want to talk football?
     
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    dryheat44 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I'm weighing heavily towards last year. If I were to rank them in August 2005, Culpepper would be in the 5-8 range and Plummer about #20.

    There's no getting around the fact that without Moss, Culpepper sucked donkey nuts last year. Then he got hurt, and Brad freakin' Johnson nearly took the team to the playoffs. I really should have put Johnson ahead of Culpepper, but I think Johnson will come down a bit this year.

    I'm giving Culpepper the benefit of the doubt with a #11 ranking. His performance last year certainly doesn't justify it.

    If he has a good-to-great season, I'll be happy to move him up next year.
     
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    I can justify all of those arguments with a correct converse.

    Countless times, you guys have said the Culpepper was made by Moss blah blah blah.

    Well in 2004, Culpepper's best year, Moss missed much of 6 games and Daunte had over 3000 yards and 26 TDs to recievers not named Moss. Besides, it's not like we have dog poop at WR, Chris Chambers and Randy McMichael are both pretty damn good.

    He only had 3 real bad games in 2005, and the teams that tore him up, were pretty good defenses. Brad Johnson went through tons of defenses that couldn't stop a high school offense. Pepper was going through a new offensive cooridinater, and lost his starting center in training camp. All these things just took a snow ball effect on Pep, and he struggled. I have no doubt in my mind that he returns to 2004 form this year and wins a division for the Fins.
     
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    Nope, but I'd be willing to bet a Trent Green could. I'm not saying Manning is scum. I'm saying he's not as good as his stats.

    Well if you have no pressure on you because you have an amazing set of reciever, and everyone on D is in coverage, that plays a part in that too.

    You're comparing Brady to Dilfer? Are you serious? Do you enjoy getting laughed at?


    Bottom line, Manning does not step up when it counts, Brady does. Manning pads his stats against bad D's. Brady pads his stats against the best.
     
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    Don't you think there is probably a reason everyone is in coverage? Maybe it's because they are facing the best QB there is. :rofl: You realize you just proved my point right?

    I'm not comparing Brady to Dilfer. I'm just stating the fact that many of you think that because Brady has SBs, that makes him the best. My point is, you don't have to be a good QB to win a championship. Great defenses and good running games will win Super Bowls too.
     
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    True, but you need a good QB to win multiple championships. Let's go through the list of QB's who have won three or more:

    Bart Starr
    Terry Bradshaw
    Troy Aikman
    Tom Brady
    Joe Montana

    I think that company speaks for itself. You certainly don't see Trent Dilfer on that list.
     
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