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    Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against' | Music News | Rolling Stone

    Tom Morello says Paul "Rage Against the Machine" fan Ryan is the machine & is raging against the poor and the powerless...

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    I find the whole thing much ado about nothing, but that's how I also felt about Chick Fil-A. Ryan likes their tunes, I guess, and everyone knows their political views. It didn't stop him from liking them. That's just part of being creative. Some people might like your stuff, and some of those might disagree with you on a few things. Oh well.
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    Ryan's views are not so extreme but if one keeps saying there are some might think it.
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    So we have a rich person, who took advantage of what a capitalistic society had to offer, saying that another rich person who did the same is the problem.

    This is like the OWS protester that claim they will vote for Obama even though Obama is about as pro-wallstreet as it gets.
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    Well, he's not calling for the poor to be used as mulch if that's what you mean. Otherwise, yeah, they're pretty extreme. I suppose it's all relative, but he's essentially one of the GOP's warriors to dismantle programs that have stood more or less in their present forms since the Johnson Administration. Oh sure I and people my age have to work to 67 not 65 before collecting Social Security, but otherwise the social safety net has survived more or less intact.

    Now, a Ryanite may simply say "that's exactly the problem." And you can complain that the alternative is bending the cost curve, which means that insurance companies and providers end up not outpacing inflation (and profits) in most every other industry.

    Both Obama and Ryanomney take approaches to spend less on health care.

    On the affordable care act side, the concept is to cap the payouts and leave the benefits intact. You can complain that it's Socialism, but the insurance agencies eventually signed on based on their expanded steady user base.

    On the Ryan side, you give the average senior a coupon book instead of their medical care. That's a radical departure that has been scored as costing the average senior $6,400 a year.

    In terms of "you can keep medicare if you want, or take what's behind the curtain," Ryan's idea also ensures the insolvency of medicare, as more healthy people abandon the risk pool to take their chances. Medicare becomes horrifically expensive per remaining person. Neither Ryan nor Romney address whether the plan is to stop caring for them, raising their premiums through the roof, or put the taxpayer on the hook for their vastly expanded per-person costs. Perhaps we'll all continue to pay higher and higher payroll taxes for those cases, but I doubt it; if we did that, and did not raise the seniors' premiums, who would take the coupons?

    Frankly, it sounds like the intention is radical, or else it ends up being a non-event. Nobody takes the coupon book unless you jack up medicare premiums.

    Finally, when all those healthy individuals roll the dice, some inevitably will get priced out of private insurance, particularly given the crisis in retirement security that comes along with the same aging demographic.

    To be fair, what everybody has to simply admit to themselves is that living to 85 costs more than living to 70 (even if you work until 67 or 70). Obama's plan copes with that. Ryanomney's doesn't.

    This is one of a number of related issues that will all confront us in the next two decades. They all involve a substantial population of people who outlive (by and large) their "usefulness." This is the challenge posed by a substantial addition to the non-working adult population -- and to boot, they'll be a population who needs big expenditures from "society." They will need medical care. They need places to live. They need food. Etcetera.

    Since we seem bound and determined to make certain that the vast majority of senior citizens don't have the capability to live on their own (destroying pensions and social security,) it's a bit confusing to me exactly how the senior population is going to purchase adequate medical care.

    What's the measure of a society, how it treats its most powerful and wealthiest?

    No, that's not it...

    Big picture dudes, big picture. Embrace the horror, like Ayn Rand did when she took the social security check.

    Good public policy's more complicated than a bumper sticker.

    PFnV
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    RATM broke up because the lead singer Zack de la Rocha didn't want to be mainstream. The other members soldout and joined up with Chris Cornell from Soundgarden to form a "supergroup" called Audioslave to cash in...

    Morello is a hypocrite.

    I loved RATM.
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    "sold out"? Audioslave put out some great stuff

    Morello still plays coffeehouses and other small venues unannounced.

    Not sure where you're coming up with sellout or hypocrite, other than a reflex against anybody on the left.
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    I just think he's spouting nonsense like Dave Mustaine...


    Lest it be doubted how far left he is...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTb70qL-cL4
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    No idea who Dave Mustaine is. Also not sure whether you're referring to Morello or Mustaine, but I don't think anybody has questioned whether Morello is on the left.
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    From Megadeth... was widely reported to have made some crazy accusations onstage in Singapore
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    You just nailed te entire Obama Committee to reelect campaign strategy right there in a nutshell: Lie, lie, lie, but lie enough that some will believe it.
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    Axelrod gets off the hook to easy ... he makes Carville look saintly.
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    Yeah. I also tire of hearing, "Well, Rove did it too."

    Yep, that's the model to emulate right there. Bang up job, guys.
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    YEah. I think whether your lead singer is Bob Marley, Zack de la Rocha, or Karen Carpenter and dies or quits, you should never have success or play in a band ever again. That would prove you aren't a sellout.
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    That's pretty funny when considered in context with the "death panels", "Communist", "he's a Muslim", "he hates Israel", and of course "he wasn't born in America".

    Ryan's a big boy and he needs to define his policies because his stances on a lot of things has had to morph to the center compared to his radical corporatist positions of just a year ago...not to mention his political hard-on for Ayn Rand, the athiestic fascist, from which he now has to run away from to maintain the Christian vote.

    Admit it. If the deficit and the bottom line were really all that mattered to Teabaggers, he'd be fine. His big problem will be getting by his love for the athiest Rand. Of course, there's so much natural hate for Obama among the Teabag demographic, this may not be a problem. He might be "like them" enough for them to overlook the fact that he worships the radical elitist-athiest Rand. Depends on which thing about Obama bothers you the most.

    And lets see where, in the budget-busting program, R&R come down on funding the bloated MIC. Of course, we all know we need another 5,000 out-dated Abrams tanks and the Russian sub in the Gulf clearly demonstrates the need for more Trident-launching subs. Ka-ching!
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    God Willing,who gives a sh!t what those freaks think.
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    Or as Nirvana put it...

    He's the one
    Who likes all the pretty songs
    And he likes to sing along
    And he likes to shoot his gun
    But he don't know what it means, don't know what it means
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    So did Rage Against the Machine do their concerts for cost or did they make money?. Same for Audioslave since they think $$$$ is evil?


    Or are they just posers?
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    You should ask Paul Ryan. I hear he's a big Rage fan.
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    Yes. Yes, they are just poseurs, and the real rock star is Paul Ryan. :ugh:


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