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Radical Idea - Trade for Gholston

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  1. Snake Eyes

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    Yes, he's been a bust so far but it seems like the guy could be an absolute monster if he can put it together and there isn't a better coach to help him do that than BB. We're thin on OLBs anyway, if he could be gotten cheap enough it just might be a crazy idea that works.

    What do you think?
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    About to get a lot of crap for this but if Rex can't turn the guy around BB probably won't do much better.
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    Not so much that Rex is a better defensive coach and developer of youth, but it seems like Gholston's problems are in his head and his heart. You'd think a player like that would benefit from Rex's system and wouldn't be aided by moving to a system where more is asked of him.

    If he was cut, I wouldn't mind giving him a flyer. I wouldn't give up anything for him though.
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    Wow. 7-7+gift vs one of the greatest football minds of a generation. Wow.
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    We won't get better by adding bad players.
    Gholston simply is not a 34 OLB, no matter how you slice it, and even as a sub package DE, he lacks the variety of tools that it takes to be an effective NFL pass rusher.
    Great college player who just can't compete at this level.
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    Maybe For a 10th rnd pick.....
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    Worst. Idea. Ever.

    Is Ryan Leaf available as the vet backup 3rd string QB?
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    He's only played 2 seasons so far, also James Harrison floundered on practice squads and in NFL Europe before he put it together, and we know how effective he became.
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    The Jets system is simpler then the Pats, Rex builds his system around player talent where BB finds players to fit his system, If you can't make it playing for Rex then you just can't make it. No disrespect to BB.
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    I don't know how that would be disrespectful towards BB.
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    It needs to, right along with Gholston himself.

    I don't give a damn about what Ryan/BB can do. He's not a 3-4 guy, and he's probably not even an NFL guy. The most I'd do at this point is take a flyer on him if I'm a desperate 4-3 team.
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    I wouldn't trade for Gholston unless we can dump that bum Brady.
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    I did not want anyone to think that I am saying Rex or his system is better then BB's, or that Rex coaches better. Rex's system may be better and his coaching may be better, I am just not prepared to say that at this time.
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    And shouldnt be for at least 15 more years.
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    Rex is a good defensive coach himself ... I doubt Bill could do anymore with Gholston outside of hiding him in a scheme where he could excell as a specialty player.
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    While we're at it why not sign Tony Mandarich to play left tackle, trade Brady for picks, and pick up Ryan Leaf on the cheap?
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    Trades for players rarely work (with notable exceptions such as a certain slot receiver we stole from Miami). Ryan would not trade him to the Patriots if he had an ounce of talent.

    No way I would be in favor of this trade.
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    Ive never really understood the dont trade in your division thought process
    You only make a trade by getting more than you give up. So by definition if you think the trade is worthwhile it would be BETTER to trade within your division because you both strengthen your team and weaken your opponent.
    See Bledsoe, Welker, etc.
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    The red circle represents offers the JEST would accept. The blue circle represents offers the Patriots would be willing to make.
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    That works sometimes and sometimes not so much. Look at the Eagles and McNabb. Nobody would argue that the Redskins are weaker with McNabb running Shanahan's offense than they would have been with Campbell. And not all the time you're giving up a player you straight up think is bad. You might not have room on your roster for a WR that's only great at special teams (think Kelley Washington) but a team that's not as deep is just going to get stronger by having him.
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    Oh I cmpeltely agree with that, I was talking about the concept in general.
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    Gholston = bust.
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    I dont know that.
    Why couldnt it be that the Eagles think McNab is done? He is beaten, battered and oft-injured.
    This is the point I am making.
    If the Eagles looked at the situation and said that at this point in his career McNab is no longer worth the contract he will expect, that they havent won with him yet, so at this point in his career will they ever, and that they would be better with a draft pick than keeping thier franchise in his hands, breaking the bank, and not getting a pick for him.
    Clearly they thought something like that.
    If they figure they are better off without him then who ever they trade him to will therefore be worse off with him.
    Sure, he may be better than the guy they are puttng in at QB, but the Eagles made the decision that he would be worse for their franchise than a 2nd rounder (or whatever they got) whether they are right or wroing, they are operating from that belief, so they just weakened an opponent.
    If the trade lets the Redskins improve to 8-8 then watch McNabs skills deteriorate and his injuries mount and they never win a championship, much less a division, or a playoff berth, the trade did not help them even if with Campbell they would have been 5-11 this year.
    In this case, its long term pain you are inflicting on the rival.

    By the way, the thought process I attached to the Eagles is pretty much the way I see this one playing out, and in the long run, the Redskins would have been better using a 2nd on Jimmy Claussen. At least if he fails they wont have the next 3-5 years bound to him.
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