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    From Jones to Mann and a couple of others 11/16/99:

    “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”



    Anthony Watts on the what the above refers to :


    Hiding data and result that don't fit the predetermined result, real science there. Can you say fraud?


    From Kevin Trenberth, a lead author with the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, to Michael Mann, on Oct 12. 2009:


    “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. ... Our observing system is inadequate.”


    So as opposed to we can't wait another minute, the lead author for the IPCC admits their models can't account for the cooling we are seeing in spite of growing CO2 in the atmosphere.

    Clearly none of their models predicted this, although the Russian, Danes and others watching the Sunspot Cycle and the Pacific Decadel Oscillation did predict a period of cooling.

    From Mann a couple of weeks later 10/27/2009:

    “Perhaps we’ll do a simple update to the Yamal post... As we all know, this isn’t about truth at all, its about plausibly deniable accusations.”


    So the facts are the facts so just lie great science Newton and Einstein would be proud.

    This is a beaut from Ed Cook 6/4/2003


    “I got a paper to review (submitted to the Journal of Agricultural, Biological, and Environmental Sciences), written by a Korean guy and someone from Berkeley, that claims that the method of reconstruction that we use in dendroclimatology (reverse regression) is wrong, biased, lousy, horrible, etc. ... If published as is, this paper could really do some damage … It won’t be easy to dismiss out of hand as the math appears to be correct theoretically (...) I am really sorry but I have to nag about that review — Confidentially I now need a hard and if required extensive case for rejecting.


    So A paper is submitted that refutes their methods, the math is sound, to the reviewer asks people to help him get an excuse to reject the paper so the research can be squashed. Real integrity here...:rolleyes:


    Tom Wigley, 9/27/2009:


    “So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 C, then this would be significant for the global mean — but we’d still have to explain the land blip. I’ve chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these).”




    Turns out Obama science czar is a fellow traveler with the fraud squad pushing the MMGW hoax:

    Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren involved in unwinding “Climategate” scandal

    the from Real clear politics has a good narrative on the fraud commited by the global warming alarmist/fraudsters

    RealClearPolitics - ClimateGate: The Fix is In


    BTW this article has a link to a website where you can peruse the liberated emails, amazing stuff here.




    So let's make up the data to fit our story...:eek:
     
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    Can you say fitting a square peg in a round hole?

    RealClimate: The CRU hack
     
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    Does this really need another thread? (Of course it doesn't.)
     
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    Funny in the emails Real Climate is said to be a reliable source to present only the alarmist pov. Not surprising the spin would come from there.

    What about the emails about spiking research papers that didn't support the AGW position?

    What to the true believers have to say about that?
     
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    Since you can't address the science brought up in Mann's response, just paint him as an alarmist. You're as good as McCarthy. So you're the alarmist on the alarmists?

    Do I have to do all your thinking for you? It's practically a full time job.

    Sounds like you're the one with the scattershot belief.
     
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    :rolleyes:Some code from the climatemodelers:




    Yeah real science here.....:singing::rolleyes:
     
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    5 threads on the same thing.. if you repeat it often enough does it become more palitable... act like a mod, not some self centered ego maniac...

    Merge is the answer...
     
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    Is that code even called in their final models, or is it test code? (If you know anything about code, you know that not all the lines of code are run, and that some code is development code, and other code is WIP code.)

    Did you bother to ask why they needed to apply an artificial correction, and whether it was justified?

    Context, of course, is wanting. But you don't even bother to ask the questions and examine the answers, you just conclude.
     
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    Good old Richelieu, your spirit is alive and well.
     
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    Well if MAnn HAnsen and the rest of gh Real climate release their code and data sets then we would know. Of course they are still stonewalling request for open inspection of data and code. What are they hiding anyway?


    This isn't how science is done now isit...:singing:
     
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    Isn't RealClimate the site that's run by one of Soros' companies?
     
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    Yes, also the people who edit the site are friends with the people in the emails who are scheming to blackball people who don't agree with them and the folks who are hiding their data and codes.
     
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