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Your prediction for the outcome and your personal wishes on this mess:

  1. He will get probation and I hope the team cuts him.

    6 vote(s)
    3.4%
  2. He will get probation and I hope the team keeps him.

    32 vote(s)
    17.9%
  3. He will serve jail time and I hope the team cuts him.

    88 vote(s)
    49.2%
  4. He will serve jail time and I hope the team keeps him.

    15 vote(s)
    8.4%
  5. He will not be found guilty and I hope the team cuts him.

    3 vote(s)
    1.7%
  6. He will not be found guilty and I hope the team keeps him.

    35 vote(s)
    19.6%
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  1. fnordcircle

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    I know we have a few threads about this already but I'm really interested in seeing what people's reaction will be to the possible outcomes of this mess and the other threads are filled with junior detectives and internet lawyers.

    I'm mostly interested in knowing what people think the possible outcomes will be and what their personal feelings towards Hernandez will be based on their predicted outcome. Because I think no matter what the team does there will be some debate about what the right choice is given any number of outcomes.
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    I think he probably will be convicted of obstruction of justice for what he did or allowed to be done to his phone and survallence video. Would i take him back...yeah i'd give him a second chance.
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    He may be done for the year. Dude made some really dumb choices.
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    No idea where it goes from here.


    Looks to have made some real bad choices though.
    I fear the worst.
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    I will never again root for the guy if he's convicted of any involvement in this, even if "just" obstruction
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    He's going to jail, getting cut and likely suspended indefinitely.
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    Ideally, I hope that it's all a big misunderstanding.

    Let's face it, though: It's not a big misunderstanding. At bare minimum, he's been destroying evidence in a murder investigation. Unless it comes out that his apparent involvement was all just a series of crazy coincidences, I hope I never see him in a Pats uniform again.

    Anyway, I voted for "jail time and cut."
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    Can we start a poll asking which PatsFans.com members wear their Pats' jammies 24/7?
    From my mountain top, it looks like the Dennard apologists are gathering for another go round of "ignore the obvious." At least they haven't started the "blame the heavy handed police" chant yet.
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    The choice of him going to jail and the team keeping him is just dumb.

    If he goes to jail he's done in NE Period!
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    Here's my premature ejaculation of opinion. It has 180ed since I 1st heard about this and thought as a Pats fan there must be a relatively innocent explanation. I currently say he likely does time and is cut with morals clause invoked to recover remaining bonus money and cap relief.

    If he is shown to be involved, even as a passive observer, a lifetime ban from the NFL* would be appropriate.

    All subject to revision as we separate media falsehoods from actuality, if we ever do.


    * Or a sentence as a Jet player assuming it does not violate the cruel and unusual punishment prohibition.
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    I don't live on a mountain top like some know-it-alls or Moses so I'll just wait for Ron Borges to tell me what somebody else wrote.

    We'll never know the complete truth. But it might make a nice double feature with the documentary on TWA Flight 800.
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    I cant understand the people who are like "gee, maybe it'll be ok and he can still play TE for us this year" Look, i love the Patriots, but just from what we already know this guy is a scumbag and i dont want to root for him. Id cut his ass.
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    Pretty much how i see it. I will wait for the facts to come to light but although i have given him the benefit of the doubt to this point the latest information about damaging his surveillance equipment makes it really seem like he is trying to cover up involvement and I would be surprised if he weren't ultimately convicted of Obstruction of Justice at a minimum. If that happens I expect the Patriots to release him. He would catch on elsewhere but whomever chooses to take the risks that go with his kind of stupidity is welcome to him. If his involvement goes beyond Obstruction of Justice then he is most likely going to see significant jail time and his career in the NFL is probably over, because the next step up from there will tie him up for years to come.


    If the Patriots do recover his signing bonus they should donate it to the victims family.
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    Drunken driving or getting into a brawl at a strip club are "dumb choices," involvement in or covering up a murder belong in the "evil motherf.cker" category, and if he's guilty of any involvement or covering up the crime i don't want him on the Patriots.
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    I'm absolutely disgusted by these people who want to see Hernandez cut...we don't get any players/draft picks if we cut him, we should trade him:D
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    Quick question - what are the facts that are being ignored.

    Please note, reports from sources are not facts. I'm not giving Ahern the benefit of the doubt, I don't trust the media because they don't exist to inform they exist to make a profit.

    Personally, I think if most of this stuff we've read is true he ends up pleading guilty to obstruction, gets a deal and I am really not sure what the team will do, primarily because I think the "Patriot Way" is a fable and all the team cares about is winning.

    I just think blindly trusting these reports is ignoring history which is littered with examples of innocent people whose lives were ruined by media and public opinion.
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    Just disagree in that I think the Pats WILL MOST DEFINITELY cut him
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    Very well said; pretty much my opinion as well. If Hernandez is found guilty, then I hope that the team cuts him. I'm no Ravens fan; would have no interest in rooting for him if it turns out that any of these charges are true.
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    If the team cuts him, will it be able to get reimbursement on some of the $40 mil contract that he recently signed (similar to Michael Vik)?
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    regardless of the outcome, I want him gone......and I want every attempt made to recoup the signing bonus
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    I think it depends on how the case goes. If the team is deprived of his services due to his legal situation, then presumably yes.
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    Let's see how this plays out. Things aren't looking good for him. But when real details emerge and not just leaks and rumors that we are getting now, things might not be nearly as bad for him. Then again, it could be a 100 times worse.

    I am waiting and seeing because I looked like an idiot killing Edelman for his arrest when video evidence showed he did nothing wrong.
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    Depending on his contract language, I would think he would have to pay at least some of his signing bonus back, and the Patriots will release or suspend him.
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    I wouldn't be too surprised if he did stick, Talib isn't exactly a model citizen either(granted he hasn't killed anybody or been involved in a murder). Obviously very disappointing seeing this unfold and Hernandez will be a huge loss on the field.
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    I heard a joke yesterday that he should call Ray Lwwis' attorney.
    I don't want him to get off like ray ray.
    If he's guilty, and it sure sounds like he was up to his eyeballs in this, he should go to jail and have his contract voided.
    It's bad enough that ray ray got anointed after being involved in a murder. It shouldn't happen again. What he contributes on the field should not be a factor.
    He's at least guilty of obstruction based on the house cleaning, smashed cell & video equipment. He's going down in flames and appears to totally deserve it.
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    the latest CBA has a blanket 'personal conduct policy' provision that protects every team from every contract should there be a problem.......I believe this would constitute as a problem.

    between this and the fact that he's never played an entire season, if I were the pats, I'd be done with this at the first possible moment
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    Some these posts on this site for that last few days regarding AH are utterly ridiculous. Last time I checked there is no one on this entire site who is in the FBI, CIA, or any kind of law enforcement. What gives you the right to say all these disgusting things about this guy who we all have cheered for and rooted for?? Here's fun fact for you WE DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT, nobody does. What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?? Don't we still practice that in this country.....i thought so. Hernandez is not just a TE for the New England Patriots, he is a 23 year old dude with a young daughter and he's human just like me or you regardless of the amount of money in his bank account. And yes, this situation looks grim for him and he may or may not have committed this crime but that is not up to us, the reporters, or ESPN to decide its up to the US Judicial System. And until they the court system and not some guy who watches to much CSI Miami have concluded that he was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that AH was absolutely involved in this I will give him the benefit of the doubt because if the shoe was on the other foot and you or a member of your own family were the one being accused of these acts then you would want the same thing.
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    We already know for sure that he was involved. We just don't know if that involvement goes all the way to murder.
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    So what?

    A bunch of people have said that, if he turns out to be guilty of a felony crime in connection with a murder, they don't want him on the team. IF being the operative word. A bunch of people have also said that, given everything that's emerged, things aren't looking great for him right now. I'm still hoping against hope that he's innocent, but admittedly that's looking less likely by the day.

    Which of those things is disgusting to say?

    Which is why about 95% of the posters on here are prefacing everything that they say with "let's wait for all the facts to come out before reaching any definitive conclusions".

    That's in the court of law, and is barely relevant to public opinion. Reminds me of those people who flip out and cry that their First Amendment rights are being violated because people boycott their products due to their ****ty opinions.

    If/when charges are brought against Hernandez and he's tried in court, the jury will be instructed that he's innocent until proven guilty. I won't be on that jury, so it simply doesn't apply to me or, most likely, anyone else on this board.

    Yes, and I wish him all the best and hope that, if he's innocent, he'll be able to put this all behind him and move on with his life. But if he's guilty, none of what you said will or should prevent him from facing justice.

    Ok, now you've gone completely off the deep end. Give one example of a poster on this site (who isn't one of the standard raving lunatics that I probably already have on ignore) who has said that Hernandez is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Almost everyone has said exactly what you said when you started that increasingly incoherent rant: that the situation looks pretty grim.
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    Personally, I am not seeing one isolated incident. Rather, I am seeing a string of events and behavior patterns that map back to situations that led to him dropping in the draft. Interestingly, we're reading about them all at once...threatening words to Welker; shooting in the face (of a convicted drug dealer), and the rest. Consider that the team does not just look at a single incident; whether he gets convicted of murder. Rather, they are looking at their position; the whole franchise. How does this character disturb what the Pats are building? Some members have already stated openly that AH has become more brazen, since receiving his big contract. Who woulda thunk it?

    I'm no longer having visions of AH and Gronk playing every game and creating a Super Bowl Championship. Rather, I'm wondering how Ballard is feeling and what opportunities this scenario opens up for people of good standing character who are focused on football.

    And, I don't mind saying, Gronk ought to take a page out of this book and reflect on how his childish behaviors reflect on the team and the organization. Most of these guys only play 5 years or so. they need to be dedicated and take advantage of what they have in front of them. However, the gangs, shootings and the rest...not what the Patriots are all about. That needs to be removed ASAP. Surely, Mr. Kraft feels dupes, after stating how AH was an upstanding young man? Don't we all...
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