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  1. Tunescribe

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    I was watching the replay last night on NFLN. There were 7 seconds left when Vinatieri kicked the ball and after he makes it, the place explodes, Pats run onto the field, etc. My question is: when, exactly, does play end on a field goal attempt? I've always assumed it's supposed to end when refs confirm good or bad and blow the whistle. I believe this has been questioned before, but I wonder if there might've been a second or two left on the clock after that kick was made. If so, the Patriots would've been required to kick off giving the Rams a final chance to handle the ball. Did the league ever address this? Or, was the full 7 seconds really used on that play?
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    The Rams complained, and rightfully so, and the league did address it. Now, no more than four seconds can come off the clock from the time the ball is snapped and the attempt is either deemed good or no good.
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    What did the league say? I tried finding something on the web and no luck so far.
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    I don't know what, if anything, was said in the form of an official statement. However, that is the rule that was instituted after that situation occurred.
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    I still clearly remember - being the eternal pessimist Pats fan at that time - watching that FG go through the uprights and thinking "OK it's not over, we still have to kick off to the Rams and they have playmakers".

    Not until I saw :00 on the clock and everyone celebrating did I realize what just happened.
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    To be honest, I was celebrating so hard that I didn't even realize how much time had ticked off or any of that. As far as I was concerned the game was over.
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    That Rams fan who built the Superbowl 36 conspiracy web site always points this out. At the time I was too busy being drunk and screaming to care.
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    LOL, pretty sure me and my friends all immediately ran outside screaming at the top of our lungs and did snow angels, so I can't recall much of what transpired after the FG went through.
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    so if there are 2 or 3 seconds left........the pats squib kick it.........it touches a ram and game over...........

    I do believe there should have been a second or 2 given the way it turned out......but I don't believe that a kickoff can be downed that fast as to have any time left for a play
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    Yeah, i remember seeing that site somewhere. Its as if BB told the team before the game..."guys, if there's a FG to win the game with 7 seconds left, be sure to run out on the field as soon as it looks good. This will confuse the refs, and they'll just let time expire, and we win" :rolleyes:

    We also have to remember that BB had film footage of the Rams getting off their plane. Surely the NFL was helping us to win :rolleyes:
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    Yes he does. However, if you actually watch the footage that he has, the footage shows that the clock had incorrectly stopped for 3 seconds.. So the time keeper running the time off the clock actually did the correct thing.

    P.S. Pats1 and I tore into him pretty thoroughly. He was just too deluded to realize he was wrong. Also, the site is finally gone. It used to be located here: http://stlouisrams.net/xxxvi/
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    It's stupid but Raider fans are worse about the Snow Bowl game. It go to the point where I really think some of them believe the ball had some kind of navigation system installed by the NFL to make sure Vinatieri hit the kick.
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    That's probably the one thing that the 2001 whiners actually do have a gripe about. No way a FG takes 7 seconds no matter how long it is. But it wouldn't have mattered anyways so it's not much of a gripe
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    Repeat word-for-word to see how I felt after Moss made the touchdown catch in the final minutes against the Giants.

    Leave it to me to focus on the Big Loss, in a freaking thread about a SB we actually won!

    I'll never assume we won again,until we've won. Rookie mistake.
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    The bruhhah from post-sb36 might have been part of the reason the refs were so anal about having one more play at the end of the sb with the Giants.
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    I'm going to find a way 2 watch future Super Bowls in a 3rd world country, so if we go ahead with 2 minutes left, I can just turn it off and live out the rest of my life in blissful ignorance.
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    I can distinctly remember thinking the same thing, that the Pats were still going to have to kick off and stop the return.
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    What if a few weeks later, you suddenly see local village natives walking around wearing Pats SB Champs hats and T-shirts? That would be an even worse way to find out.
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    I was at the game....and regardless of the 4 second rule there should have been time left...I believe and if I am wrong ignore but the time should stop when the field goal crosses the plain of the posts. I watched it hit the net and saw tics left on the clock...I went nuts that the field goal was good but it was somewhat and I stress somewhat subdued because I expected to have to kick off. but I quickly realized it was over and WE WERE CHAMPIONS!!!!
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    Didn't we have to kick off after the field goal in SB 38?
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    They don't have to down it and run a play. Why would they do that? They can pick up the squib kick or deep kick or onsides kick and return the kick for a TD and win the game.

    If the Pats are kicking off, the play isn't dead when the ball touches a Ram. They can touch a ball, fumble it, pick it up, run with it, lateral it, whatever they want until they are tackled, run out of bounds or score.

    That's the whole point. With two seconds left, they 'could' have done something. Not likely, but remember the music city miracle.

    I remember that the league changed the rule after the game. I thought it was a five second runoff for a FG, but it could be four as the other poster said.
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    My reaction?

    "What the hell is Lonnie doing, simulating his Snow Angel celebration, when we still have to kickoff??? That's gonna cost us 10 yards!!!.......whooooaaaaaa.......there's confetti, the games's over?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!, Naw, they're gonna have a tough time calling everyone back on the field for the kickoff".
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    exactly. I thought the same thing after SB42, most non pats fans complain about BB and some of the pats leaving the field, but the game was over, just like in SB36. The Pats basically "yielded" the last play by walking off the field, and some though it was poor sportsmanship. But thoughts of SB 36 rang thru my head.

    There was 2 secs on the clock when the ball went thru. the uprights, which i think is the time in which the play is then dead. so the pats needed to kick off. But much like the pats in SB42, the Rams yielded the last play of the game which would of been a sqib kick. I remember thinking it was not over, but when i saw Mike M. the coach of the Rams crossing the field, then i knew it was over as only they could complain and did not, or did and was unsuccussful..

    It was not fair to the Rams, and I am glad that we don't get a lot of flak from non pats fans complaining about it . . .
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    :rofl:

    Yup, you win, that's gotta be a more painful way to learn the outcome.
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    As I said, the replay clearly shows the clock stopping on 4 seconds for about 3 seconds and then it starting again and going down to zero. That's why the time clicked off the clock.

    The other thing to remember is that the clocks are NOT the official times. One of the officiating crew is responsible for that. And the officials were the ones who called the game over.
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    Well I guess there is not much us Pats fans can say about this gripe. It's legitimate.
    Now can we talk about the sloppy time keeping at the end of SB XLII!?:D:cool:
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    Yes, there was time for one more play.
    The game ended when Matt Chatham tackled Rod "He Hate Me" Smart on that kickoff.
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    Some ballbag Rams fan built a website about all of the conspiracy theories surrounding Super Bowl 36?

    How about this; your "dynasty" was a broken tackle away from losing back to back Super Bowls on the last play.

    No conspiracy there, just the facts, so b!tch all you want, won't change a thing.

    I could build a Super Bowl 42 conspiracy theory website too if I wanted to; won't change the fact that we lost, so why torture myself....................
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    You're a logical person and the douchebag Rams fan isn't? Seems like the most likely reason.

    I met a lot of people who said we only won because of 9/11, they are all idiots, but they did exist.
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    I felt very cheated because I missed the celebration. I was waiting to celebrate after the kickoff - only there was no kickoff.

    Perhaps someday I'll get to celebrate... :D
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