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  1. lurker1965

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    I thought HGH was essentially a synthetic testosterone and as such was indistinguishable from natural testosterone. Anyone know how they eliminated false positives? Just curious.
     
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    HGH != Testosterone
     
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    HGH isn't testosterone. It's "human growth hormone" which is secreted by the pituitary gland or whatever. Not sure how they tell if you are on it or not, as in how to tell if you are supplementing your natural HGH.

    People can take testosterone or testosterone like substances. Those are referred to as "anabolic steroids"....if you take synthetic testosterone (which is the same chemically as the real stuff), I'm not sure how they tell. I would guess they measure other things in the blood which indicate that your own production is "shut down", due to supplementation.
     
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    can't wait to see who gets popped for hgh
     
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    FALSE:bricks:


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    are you serious???? look it up on google my goodness. Did you even know what the acronym HGH is?:bricks:



    educate yourself on this matter...

    anabolic steroids ='s synthetic testosterone.

    HGH is merely a hormone (Human Growth Hormone.)

    Heavy lifting elevates both levels. deadlifts and squats are these guys best friends. Lift Big Eat Big Sleep Big GET BIG

    do look HGH up and Testosterone to self educate- 2 different things:cool:
    :cool:
     
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    TSK: "!=" is internet speak for "does not equal."
     
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    Your test levels would be higher and your T/E ratio would be off
     
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    [Chemistry major]
    Actually, it's not, in two very subtle ways:

    (1) There's an isomer of testosterone (T) called epitestosterone (E); normally your body produces both in equal amounts. [Although it's not a perfect analogy in this particular case, consider a pair of gloves; the left-handed glove and right-handed glove are mirror images of one another, but you can't use one in place of the other. T and E are nearly identical, but the body can't use E; it's just an "artifact" of how the body produces T in the first place.]

    Synthetic T, though, usually has no E, so if the T/E ratio is much greater than 1:1, that's taken as evidence of doping (it's how Floyd Landis got caught). [Because they usually test for the ratio, overly elevated levels of "E" are also considered a doping offense because they can mask elevated levels of "T".]

    (2) There's more than one isotope of carbon; natural T tends to have a slightly higher percentage of the heavier isotope (carbon-13) than synthetic T because humans don't make T the same way that synthetic T is made. . . . so if the carbon ratio in T is out of whack relative to the carbon ratio for other hormones, than that's evidence of doping, too.
    [/Chemistry major]
     
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    it was a typo


    anyways... I had no idea my accidentally added ! next to = meant something else:eek: thnx for the heads up
     
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    Uhh, are *you* serious???? I said that HGH is not testosterone, which is a correct statement. So either you didn't understand what I wrote (all 2 words and one inequality of it), or you're a moron. Which is it?
     
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    Pssst . . . you didn't add the exclamation mark. The original poster did. ;)
     
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    You are right SolderKing that it is not a steroid. The "!=" means not equals as others have said and originates from programming languages I believe (at least that's where I first saw it).
     
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    I heard if you stick your hand up a bull's azz you'll find plenty of steeroids...:ban?:
     
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    HGH is becoming more mainstream as a standard treatment for a variety of ailments, many of which come from aging. Ask a physician who works with HGH deficient people and they will privately say that in proper doses, the stuff does a lot of good an no harm. In 30 years, once the fear of its misuse stops dominating the policy discussion, and the capacity to create synthetics is larger, it will be just another standard medical treatment for aging.

    That's what makes it fundamentally different from steroids, which will always do some physical harm if taken in doses large enough to impact muscle mass.

    Overused, of course, it's a problem, but that's true for most powerful substances.
     
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    You really, really need to actually read the post you responded to. Really!
     
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    :eek::eek::eek:
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    my mistake.


    you r right though I scanned the entire thing:D
     
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    Greg Aiello the NFL PR guy is going off on the NYTimes for an article they published yesterday mocking the NFL testing plan and apparently totally misrepresenting it in the process. As he tweets about it the details of the testing plan are revealed. All players will be tested once a year. Then random testing will ensue and there is no limit to the # of times a player can be tested other than he can only be tested 6 times max in the off season.

    Some players are really unhappy about this. The Steelers rep was the one who claimed there would not be a vote because of it. The Steelers turned out to be the one team who as a whole voted against ratification...:eek:

    Goodell and De were pretty clear yesterday at the ceremonial signing that it is a fait accompli and they will work out the remaining details between them sans player reps... They have 60 or 90 days in which to do so. Goodell said their goal was to have it in place before the season opens.

    Here is a link to Aiello's twitter comments. Ocho has volunteered to go first... Aiello playfully suggests they could do it on live TV... Ocho has also thanked Dad (what he calls Goodell) for his work on the CBA and asked him not to fine him...;)
     
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