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  1. Patters

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    Both FTW and I accept that occasionally people will lose their cool, but for the last few days this forum has looked more like Interleague Forum than a forum for political discussion. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, then don't say it. Your attacks diminish the forum, insult the more serious participants, and do damage to the political point of view that you represent.

    If you're offended, bothered, or otherwise distressed by the political comments of some of the posters, either ignore those comments or skip the forum for a few days until you calm down. If these attacks continue, people will get suspended.
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    Ah Liberalism, the defenders of civil liberties, (I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU BUT I WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT) favorite liberal quote.

    PLace, Liberal College:
    Cindy Sheehan (Standing Ovation)
    Ann Coulter (Pie In The Face)
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    your hillarious. :D
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    Can we apply those same rules to the actual topic of the thread itself. How many Bush is a (insert your favorite name here) threads does there need to be? Then we have the conspiracy nut that thinks Oreos are attacking his glass of milk. Seriously how do you not expect people to call him on that? Then he asks me if I have video of the "claims" that my friend made while telling me of his experiences during his time with the recovery efforts at the Pentagon. Now I ask you what has Cowgirl contributed to this political forum other then whacked out theories of what his version of the truth is, not to mention p!ssing on the graves of the 3,000 that died on that dreadfull day?

    I assume I am one of the people that this thread is reffering to, so with that said I cannot just let some things go by with out a comment. Mikey starts these "? more soldiers dead" and you stand by that by saying he is supporting the troops and then when "actual" soldiers and recently departed Vets come on here and state that that is not supporting the troops in anyway; We are called brainwashed, neo-cons, troop killers and a host of other derogatory names, now does that sound like support for the troops to you?
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    I think Patters is right. We all go overboard (well not all), often insulating other posters. We should all agree to refrain from this.

    The freedom of speech is just that. Freedom to say and write things you may not agree with, you may be completely offended by, but that doesn't give one the right to attack anyone for saying it. Opinion is abound in here, facts not so much. Lets try to stick to what others have written and stick to attackign the messages rather than the messengers.

    I'll bite my tongue from insulting other posters (in retaliation for them insulting me), but I have no reservations about insulting those in power or their blockhead propagandists (Limbaugh: the fat ass druggie- the Goebbels of our time).

    Nobody should call anyone troop killers or troop haters, anti-american, or the like. Even Limbaugh, chickenhawk that he is, couldn't be accurately called un-American. He's just the lowest form of American.
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    Whoa ....

    Number 1: When I posted the threads about the number of soldiers who died in the war, I never made any comment to suggest whether I supported the troops or not. I just posted the link without any comment.

    Number 2: Patter never stated, suggested, or insinuated that I supported the troops (or not).

    I would appreciate it if you can show me just one post that contradicts what I just wrote.

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    No, but you used to put the total number of the fallen in the post which p!ssed a few of us off.

    Patters did in fact state that you were showing support for the troops, you don't remember the thread in which we all had this argument? It is too old to find on the board now because of the lost threads, but since that thread I don't believe you have posted the total number of the fallen. I will try and google it.
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  8. Patters

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    mgcolby, actually you're not one of the people I'm referring to. It doesn't mean you haven't made any personal attacks, it just means I haven't noticed them!

    We don't want to censor political opinions, even unpopular ones. Just because Cowgirl is conspiracy minded, doesn't mean we should judge his posts. Just because Mikey accuses the right wing of killing the troops (and I'm taking your word for it that he does), doesn't mean that's inappropriate for this forum. In fact, if someone here ever posted a defense of Osama bin Laden, I would resist even censoring that, because it would be better if that person was ostracized by the group at large. What we do want to stop is personal attacks and blatant bigotry that might alienate Patriots fans from the patsfans website.

    It's my impression that over the last week, the name calling has gotten worse. Both FTW and I let a lot of name calling fly, but when people start threads that are nothing more than personal attacks or when threads devolve into tit-for-tat name calling, we try to do what we can to calm things down a bit. In a forum like this, where our deeply held convictions differ, there's bound to be a time when someone loses it, and I think we're pretty tolerant overall.

    The goal of the moderators is to prevent things from spiraling out of control to the point that people are actually leaving Patsfans (which according to Ian has happened) and to create a forum that's especially for those of us who want to talk issues, not smack.
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    Moderator Patters,
    I Post Things That Liberals And New Democrats Don't Like.

    I Very Seldom If Ever Call Anyone A Name.

    It Is The Civil Liberty Constitution Thumping Left Wing Liberal That Does All The "name Calling".

    How Do You Know This Person That Sees Things In The Night Sky Is A "male"? I Hope Your Not "sterotyping" Only Us Righties Are Supposed To Do That.

    The Handle Has "girl" In It.
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    Disable Jersey

    Is this a thread banning NEM again?
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    BLAH, BLAH, BLAH ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :rocker:
    YOU JUST CALLED US "RIGHTIES" YOUR BANNED FOR 5 YEARS.
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    So please tell us Patters...Who speciffically are you refereing to?
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    It seems to me that as a MODERATOR you need to MODERATE the discussions. Step in and pull a thread back on topic, separate both sides so they can cool down, and exercise your authority in a fair manner - this last is where you are providing the greatest disservice..
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    Delete and ban, personally I think the conversations here are beyond all lines. People will whine, but whatever, there's no pleasing everyone?
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    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=31207&page=1

    Post #4


    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showpost.php?p=43061&postcount=16

    You are a liar and a fraud

    Yes I have called names and sometime unprovoked ,(unlike those who think they are holier than thou) so I will try to do better.

    Put as AAB has stated I will call a spade a spade so the people who are trying to destroy our country and their leader Adolph Dean are fair game, along with ultra-liar sites such as mediamatters, DU, MoveON, thinkprogress.
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    I would suggest, Patters, that the point where intervention is required is when the name calling begins.
    Immediately.
    IIRC, this is the point that most of those type of posts start going right down the crapper. Probably just me, but calling names is exactly when someone stops critisizing an idea and starts critisizing the person.

    It would also make it easier to determine when to drop the axe on a poster: if you insist on calling names, go away for a while.

    $ .02
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    Moderator Patters Calls Forum Participants Big Babies

    Now, the question is if I call you big babies for dragging out a discussion where obviously I'm right, am I violating the rules of the forum? The answer would be yes, but should I be warned or suspended? The answer is no. No one has been suspended in quite a long time because we're trying to maintain the free flow of conversation, and warnings are only issued when people get really out of hand. All we're asking is that people make an extra effort to be courteous. That does not mean you can't say the loony liberals are sore losers or that the right-wing agenda is racist or that you'd rather help Osama bin Laden than an American soldier or that the Freemasons are plotting to take over the world. As stupid or disagreeable as those comments might, they are not personal attacks.

    If you want to call someone a name, don't call them a "socialist faggot" (to use a real example), but instead say something like, "For these reasons I think you are trying to push a gay socialist agenda," and then list the reasons.
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    JLC, the problem is that there are a lot of times that FTW and I are not participating in the foru, so it's difficult to enter the fray at the right time. More often than not, I post warning well after the thread has started to go downhill. We may get to the point where we suspend people, but usually this sort of catharsis passes after a few days.
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    IS IT ALL RIGHT IF I CALL THEM "HOMOSEXUAL" I PERSONALLY NEVER USE THE WORD "GAY" I BELIEVE IT TO BE DEGRADING AND MEAN SPIRITED TOWARDS THE "HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY" I KNOW I AM IN THE MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY BUT TO ME THE WORD "GAY" ALWAYS MEANT HAPPY, CAREFREE, AND FULL OF FUN. I FIND THAT MANY HOMOSEXUALS ARE VERY SAD PEOPLE CARRYING LARGE CHIPS ON THEIR SHOULDERS AND HAVE TO CONSTANTLY TALK TO ANYONE THAT WILL LISTEN ABOUT THEIR "SEXUALITY", THEY SEEM TO BE OBSESSED WITH THE "HOMOSEXUAL THING", THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR THAT "INSULT" THEY DON'T SEEM VERY GAY TO ME.
    OF COURSE I KNOW I AM OF VERY SMALL MINORITY.

    WE HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL IN OUR FAMILY AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID TO HIM, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS ON THE DEFENSE, YOU DON'T SEEM VERY GAY (HAPPY) TO ME.
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    Thank you, Harry, you've done an excellent job demonstrating how to be offensive without launching a personal attack. Well done.
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    Thank you, I always knew how to do it but I just wanted to be part of the "the real world" not the fuzzy make believe one.
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    Actually, Harry, I don't think you've made many personal attacks, have you? Calling liberals loony or sore losers is not a personal attack. (It's not a particularly effective way to convince anyone either, but that's another story.)
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    ..........................uhhh?
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    "Looney-Sore Loser" oh dear God please forgive me.

    What have I done :bricks:
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    Yet a certain leftist on here launches personal dirty bomb after personal dirty bomb without repercussion.
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    I wasn't on here more than two hours and I was called a Nazi Scum Bag by "The Liberal"

    I call most liberals looney (most are) that's as far as I try to go, you can get your point across without name calling.

    Name calling is fun though isn't it?

    Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.

    Pay close attention to some of the names the "Looney Neo Libs" call the Righties. :rocker:

    Patters,
    Let them call me anything they want I don't mind it :bricks:
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    This forum does play rough on both sides. Very apprehensive to post here often, though I do feel very strongly about many issues. The Hard Left and the Hard Right here toss personal bombs here all the time. Very sad.

    Myself, I am neither left or right. I'm lost somewhere in the bill of rights. The left properly feels that the government should stay out of people's personal lives. The right properly feels the government should stay out of people's wallets and that people are free to succeed or fail on their own, whiout government help or interference.

    Both have sold us out to outsourcing, globalism, and multinationalism, for their own selfish reasons.

    I await a political party that supports my views. Again, very sad.

    But no matter the views, personal attacks diminish not just the content of these threads, but but of the integrity of the person who posts such poison.
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    You wont be for long. If you dont echo the left's political bile, they'll quickly brand you a neo-con and Rush parrot.

    I came onto this board as an independant and was quickly labeled. Since then, I've drifted farther and farther right simply because I could not stand to think of myself as someone like what I've seen here of the liberals.
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    Turd, as a percentage of posts, I am certain a larger percentage of yours than NEM's are condescending or rude. You need to be a little more thick-skinned. You seem to have some sort of obsession with NEM. It's not healthy. The fact that you have drifted further to the right because of things said on this board only goes to show that you lack deeply held convictions. That's why you never engage in arguing, and simply write witless little comments like Bush=Bad, Democrats=Good.
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    Boy,
    Why don't you shut your f*&#ing mouth you FU#@&!% a&&#o!*, People like you remind me of %#&@! and *&^#%$ mixed together, you peice of &#!^! fascist nazi CU%#!

    How's that?

    :bricks:
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