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    This is a story about a crime ring which thankfully has been broken up. They dealt with child porn and in physically torturing the children to boot. Impossible to comprehend.

    Child porn ring broken | Home | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

    Who knows how many of these rings exist. This sort of case raises disturbing issues about balancing the role of government 'snooping' to catch these monsters, and fear about governments monitoring and suppressing things like political speech and civil rights in a free society, I would think before electronic communications these sorts of people weren't able to network and were isolated in their activities and perhaps not a prolific in their ability to abuse.

    How to craft laws to track and catch these sorts of criminals and yet not infringe on privacy rights of law abiding citizens?

    The people that have pleaded guilty thus far have gotten sentences ranging from 20-30 years this seem wholly inadequate.
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    This is nauseating. Literally.

    I wonder what the charges were for those already sentenced. If they were viewing and distributing, 20-30 years actually sounds ok to me. If they were among those creating it (and therefore molesting children themselves), I'd make it life. (though if these as*holes were in general population in prison, length of sentence would be irrelevant)
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    When I see a story like this I get angry and depressed at the same time.
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    We are reverting back to the animals we once were, morals, decency, truthfulness, family values, all going down the sh!t hole, look at the things the entertainment business shove's onto our young people then they hide behind the constitution, our constitution is now being used to destroy us.
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    Clearly they belong in jail because out they are a danger to kids. But to your question of tracking them, did they follow the law to catch them? As long as they did that then then I don't know how innocent people could be hurt. if though they had surveillance on anyone they felt liked then that's wrong. The scary thing with the level of intrusion tech is capable of now, who's to say they can't plant evidence to get at people they just don't like? I'm not just talking about planting this kind of evidence but anything. They could plant emails on politicians accounts, fake gambling, fake bribery attempts, you name it.
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    The article doesn't detail what they had to do to get the permission to hack the accounts or how they were tipped off to the crimes being committed against the children. This is what I am wondering about. They alluded to the monsters using encryption to hide their activities. Did the government use back doors to get the website info? Could the same techniques be used against people the government seem a enemies of the government regardless of whether their activities are legal?

    For example the Chinese Government could use these techniques to suppress dissent in their country?

    There has always been a balance between protecting the rights of individuals from the government (the reason for our Constitution) and protecting society from criminals. Technology is making the types and scale of crime is very different as well as the issues surrounding the privacy and rights of the individual.

    We have had cases of terrorist buying pre paid disposable phones something unthinkable 40 years ago, so the wiretapping laws/procedures to get a wiretap warrent from the courts were obsolete.

    The data encryption available to criminals like this was only available to NSA 30 years ago, much less the cheap bandwidth and International communications networks for these criminals.
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    What are the sentencing guidelines for such an offense? Usually US Court Judges have parameters to follow, and if not enough then change the law. Lately they have seemed to more stringent than previously.

    20 to 30 years federal time is a lot of time, no credit for good behavior.

    More info on the specific sentences.. some will die in prison, or leave in wheelchairs..

    Attorney General and DHS Secretary Announce Largest U.S. Prosecution of International Criminal Network Organized to Sexually Exploit Children

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    Too many...and it is not just kiddie porn, there is a lot (my definition of a lot is more than one) of trafficking in children. Even infants.

    I am not a violent person but I would make an exception for people like this.
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    I would like to see life without parole, and the perps in the general population and make sure the other inmates know what these guys had done. in a non 'country club' jail.
    I see no circumstance where these guys should ever be released. Glad to see no parole however.

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