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  1. IcyPatriot

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    #24 Jersey

    I keep telling you liberals are wanking...now, there is proof... Touche'

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831

    Hmmm...I must read this...this guy has been reading my posts.:p

    Less liberal dreamers to interfere with logic = stronger America.

    Don't give me the Neo-con crap here... Neo-cons=Liberal Rejects.

     
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    I actually just read that before coming to this forum.

    I thought it was very interesting. While I don't know how accurate it it is or how much it will actually effect voting trends it was something to brighten my day. :)
     
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    Very interesting. I've actually heard this stat before. It seems liberal families tend to have fewer kids while bible belt-conservative types have many. This comes as no surprise.

    Applied to this scenario is something in ecological theory which has been well documented and is hard to refute. It is based on decades of studies done on birds and their clutch sizes. Those with fewer tend to be stronger and better fed, while those which have larger numbers of offspring have more trouble finding food for their young and as a result, the young are more prone to disease and death.

    The smaller clutch is an evolutionary trend toward compensating for conditions that tend to kill off the young - harsh winters or scarcity of food from drought, for example. In other words, when environmental factors become limiting, the smaller clutches fare better while the families with larger clutches experience much hardship and loss of offspring when things gets tough.

    This has been documented in birds, and confirmed in a variety of other species. Bottom line: if liberals are having fewer kids, it means their kids will probably grow up in relative comfort compared to the larger families of cons, and if economic downturns or other limiting pressures become great enough, the liberals will almost certainly outlast their conservative counterparts.

    Dont believe me? Just think about the cost of providing health insurance for one kid vs. five....then think of how tough it will be when there are no company benefits and the family of five is forced on welfare. The think how much worse it will get when dad gets laid off from the coal mine.

    So, wank away FBN...and maybe you should start a push for national health care before your ilk becomes a collective drain on society.

    Tits and Clutch Sizes
     
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    Of course, the only problem with this reasoning is that historically America has become more liberal. Conservatives once supported slavery, opposed women's suffrage, opposed equal pay for women, opposed civil rights, fought against child labor laws, objected to Social Security, opposed welfare and Medicare, favored segregation, opposed gay rights, objected to minimum wage, opposed many environmental protection laws, opposed the family leave act, and so on. Conservatives have always been on the losing side, though they sometimes slow the tide of progress.

    Even in these conservatives times, while its true that conservatives are having their way and succeeding in waging wars and creating huge deficits, liberals are still scoring significant victories in terms of gay rights, funding for education, and laws protecting against age discrimination.

    It's also worth noting that if the article raised the opposite point, namely that liberals were having more kids, conservatives, being hypocrites these days, would be talking about how irresponsible liberals are and blaming welfare mothers for the "problem."
     
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    The fruits of the Liberial 'victory' in Roe v Wade?
     
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    Of course if you make the assumption that most women who have abortions are liberal (which is certanly questionable), I can make the assumption that most of young men and women killed in Iraq are conservative.
     
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    Well, a couple of observations here. Liberals having fewer kids, who therefore live more comforatable lives, would explain the elitist ideology of the left. Also, when a child grows up in a home where comforts are harder to come by, and thus have to be earned, it would explain conservativism to a T. So the kid totals make some sense.


    Hmmm...having 5 kids and no insurance seems to work fine for the illegal families in this country.



    No fears for the Dems. They plan on securing the Hispanic vote. Remember, hispanics have more babies than the entire lot combined. It's the largest growing ethnic group in the country. The sell-out politicians of each party have been handing out free burrito's, I mean Green Cards in a frenzy to make inroads. It's why the American citizen will clearly loose there sovereignty regardless of who they vote in this november, or in 2008. The "reconquista" is an unfortunate reality. The sell out two party system has ruined America. Don't think that each party doesn't run figures, and fill out proformers to see what future votes might look like. In a nut shell, each is trying to secure the illegal vote.

    Sad, Sad, and absolutely aweful.
     
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    Why is it questionable that liberals have more abortions, conservatives are much less in favor of abortion than libs, indeed NOW recently suggested women wear Tshirts proclaiming proudly that they've had abortions.

    I think the assumption that most of the men and women killed in Iraq is accurate.
     
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    Most people who earn under $50K are Democrats.

    See table at bottom of page:

    http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=95

    Most people who earn under $50K are Democrats.

    Who will we lose soverignty to? You have to be an American citizen to vote. If we pass laws allowing immigrants and illegal immigrants to get the path to citizenship then they are American citizens, and we cannot lose sovereignty to ourselves.

    It sounds like you're objecting to changes taking place in America as a result of the new immigrants. You liked the old white immigrants better, and want to protect their power. Do I misunderstand you?
     
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    The overwhelming majority of women who have abortions do not have them for political or even religious reasons. It's an equally difficult and painful decision for women, regardless of their political or religious views.
     
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    The whole idea is based on a false assumption: that liberal parents have liberal children and conservative parents have conservative children. The truth is, you have no way of knowing which political inclination your children will favor and there's precious little you can do to influence.

    Even if you think the divide is based on hereditary factors, it's still too complicated--genetically--to make any one-for-one predictions. Also, as Patters has pointed out, our entire society is far more liberal than it was 50 years ago, and much, much more than it was 100 years ago.

    The trend probably goes back hundreds of years, and not just here, but whenever the governments of kings and tyrants have been replaced by governments of, by and for the people. This tells me that some of the conservatism of ages past was not natural, but dictated by people in power--political, economic or religious power.
     
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    You are all missing the point. Fewer children equates to increased fitness over the long term. Unless of course we are equally forced to pay for all those conservative mothers' kids on welfare thru taxation. I believe that ill conceived war and blind nationalism has a way of equalizing that however, which is really sad.
     
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    I believe the study referenced in the first post indicated that 80% of children follow their parents voting patterns. They seem to base this on data they have collected.

    Do you have a reason to feel their data is inaccurate, are you aware of any studies to support yor assertation?
     
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    Well going by the last election, there's 60 million consevatives who vote right now. So in a generation there'll be 48 mil, then 38.5 mil, then 31 mil, and then 24.5 million 4 generations from now. That's cool, a hundred years from now the neo-cons won't be able to get someone elected dog catcher.
     
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    UHHHH I think you missed the conclusion of the study, fewer liberial voters as a result of their lower reprduction rate. Startingat what 57 mil voters last election, maybe 3.5 gens no more libs?;)
     
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    If the article is accurate, perhaps it explains why countries often gravitate to a point of self-destruction. The British right were entrenched and provoked the American Revolution; the French right provoked their revolution. Similar things happened in Spain and Portugal. The German right became Nazis; the Italians fascists; the Russians Stalinists; the Saudis fundamentalist radicals; what are we becoming? What events will our right wing set off that will lead to a wholesale rejection of their values? If our neocon movement retains its grip on power, we may be in for a more dangerous phase. As I said in other posts, conservativism historically always loses, though it rarely goes down without causing tremendous harm.
     
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    No I was just making fun of it. Its based on a stupid premise and draws bogus conclusions. The whole world will always have a side dedicated to improving things, ie the left/Dems/liberals, and a side fearful of change, ie the right/repubs/conservatives. That won't change. Each side will adjust its core beliefs to coincide with their 1/2 of the population. What will change some more is the world's overall view and, as Patters pointed out, guess which way that's headed?
     
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    A very high % of the conservatives' kids will be liberals in their youth and adulthood. I give you the Baby Boomer generation as the prime example.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I was born at the end of the boomer generation...luckily for me the liberal quota was met...phew!!! :rofl:
     
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    Your prosaic condemnation of conservatism notwithstanding, the Nazi and Stalinist were Left ist Socialist not conservatives.
     

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