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  1. Fencer

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    Unless I'm forgetting something -- and I easily could be -- it would seem that the Patriots might be in line to get compensatory picks for Samuel, Stallworth, and Gay. I don't think they added any FAs on the level of any of those three.

    Even so, I'd be surprised if somebody with more knowledge of the matter than I have said "That's right. You should expect three compensatory picks in the 3rd-5th rounds."

    Somebody with no more knowledge than I have, on the other hand ... ;)
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    Well, we should be hearing from Adamjt13 (who knows more about this than anyone allowed to talk about it) in the next couple of weeks.

    Samuel = 3 is all but certain; less sure about Stallworth and Gay, but if the Pats get anything for them, Stallworth should be a 4, and Gay either one of the last 5s or one of the first 6s.
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    Don't forget Wilson may or may not count for us.

    And that we MIGHT have some guys who may count against us...I think we could never quite figure it out in the other thread we had a few months back. Its all guess work for the most part, except Adamjt13 has it down to a science.
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    3rd for Asante, not sure about the others - With the Cassel's trade (if and when it happens), I think we have to looking at a record draft for amount of picks our team has this year.
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    I didn't think Stallworth was an FA -- wasn't he cut from a prove-it type deal that ballooned in year 2?
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    I believe the Pats didn't pick up an option making him a FA.
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    Donté Stallworth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Right, I put that badly. Technically, his contract was voided. But somewhere along the line I got the impression that by declining an option, the Pats were not eligible for compensation. I may be completely, wrong, in which case :ugh:
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    I think that somewhere in one of the older threads on this issue it was established that declining the option made him a UFA - and that there is precedence here that he should count towards a comp pick.
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    Ok, then:

    :ugh::ugh::ugh:
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    I'll also wait for Adam. I certainly expect the maximum 3rd for Samuel. I have generally seen that we overestimate all but the best players. My guess is a couple of picks in the 6th and 7th round, perhaps the fifth. Any of these picks don't help us much except to the degree that we need to use our own picks to move up.
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    It was quite clear that the Pats' offseason last year was a lot about maximizing compensatory picks this year. If you look at all the Pats' free agent signings, none of them qualified as deals that would negatively impact the formula for compensatory draft picks.

    I agree that Samuel will net the Pats a third rounder. If they don't get a third rounder, the fix is in. He got top dollar, made the Pro Bowl, played all 16 games, and got to the NFC Championships.

    Stallworth will probably net a sixth rounder at most. His contract was high, but he missed a bunch of games and was not much of an impact player.

    Gay will earn the same or slightly more. Wilson won't get the Pats much of anything.
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    I don't think I'm wildly overestimating; Stallworth's contract, for example, was more-or-less in line with what earned a 4 last year.
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    As was mentioned, Stallworth wasn't cut. The Pats not picking up the option made him a free agent.

    The Pats should be getting a 3rd and two fifths...
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    Note the word "qualifying." One thing that Adamjt13 has established is that a qualifying FA has to have signed a contract for more than the vet minimum (for 2008, >$800K/yr). Also, the FA has to have been signed before the official end of the free agency period, and the player must not have been waived by his old team (so, for example, LeVoir, O'Neal, and Jordan do not count, as all were waived and/or signed too late in the year).

    IIRC, the only FAs that might count against the Pats are Webster and/or Aiken, and even then I'm not sure.
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    What you skip is the word QUALIFYING. And, based on what I did months ago (this isn't a new topic), the Pats didn't sign any qualifying free agents that off-set their losses.
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    If you search through for the old thread on this topic, you'll see that its likely that the Patriots at a maximum only have a couple guys qualifying. They might have none, really. Aiken, Williams, etc they're borderline I'd say.
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    I won't start the debate again in this thread, but I will say that I'm not quite as certain as DaBruinz.
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    Next question: About when is the allocation of compensatory picks announced?
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    Typically around the end of March. Not sure if the NFL announces the exact date ahead of time.

    Edit: Now that I think about it, the announcement happens during the owners meeting...so if someone knows the date of an owners meeting around the end of March, that should be your answer.

    Edit 2: March 22-25 - NFL Annual Meeting, Dana Point, California.
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    I like the pace. We'll hear of picks shortly after Feb 27 for Cassel, then a few weeks later for compensatory picks, and then a few weeks later we have a bunch of new toys from the draft. Just enough positive news every few weeks this off season to keep things fun
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    I don't like it at all.

    I think that 2 weeks after the Super Bowl all the teams should be reassembled for a 16 game Flag Football season - Then have the Draft the next week and then have Pre-Season start the following week and then have an 18 game regular season, then Play-Offs, the Super Bowl (or Fluke Bowl if the Pats are not in it) and then start from the beginning.

    I'm just sayin'.
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    It's a lot better this year than previous year's when almost nothing happened till the draft
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    I saw it listed here on PatsFans by somebody in just the last few days, but couldn't find the thread. The original poster had a link as I recall, and listed the Pats with a total of 11 picks. The Pats have their own pick in each round, plus an additional pick in the 2nd round (trade with the Chargers, #47 overall), #97 overall at the end of the third round as compensation for Asante Samuel, #136 at the end of the 4th round as compensation for Donte Stallworth, and #167 at the end of the 5th round as compensation for Randall Gay.

    I'll post the link if/when I find that thread.
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    I don't think that's a good idea. :(
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    Drat. Many big trade/FA decisions have to be made before then.
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    Funny to think we got him with a 4th rounder and we are going to get a 3rd rounder for him even after he was no longer under contract to us.
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    Here is a short explanation provided by nepatriotsdraft.com I read back in December.

    3rd Round Compensatory Pick - From Asante Samuel
    Samuel's $9 million average salary easily qualifies for a 3rd Rounder.

    4th Round Compensatory Pick - From Donte Stallworth
    Stallworth's $5 million average salary is on the border of a 4th or 5th Rounder.

    6th Round Compensatory Pick - From Randall Gay
    Gay's $3 million average salary puts him on the border of a 5th or 6th Rounder.

    Adding these picks to our current stock of 3 first day picks (including San Diego's 2nd Rounder) should allow us to get younger at certain positions while giving us ammunition to move around. These compensatory picks can't be traded, but they would allow us to trade other picks to move up or to stockpile picks for next year.
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    I believe that Stallworth's will be downgraded to a 5th because he didn't play much this year and when he did, he didn't produce much. If I'm wrong, and its a 4th, I'll be happy.
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    Let's assume the Pats think they currently stand at, conservatively,

    1. All their picks.
    2. The SD 2nd.
    3. 3rd, 5th, and 6th for compensatory picks.

    Now let's suppose that Detroit agreed Cassel was worth roughly their 2nd and 3rd best picks, but wanted to:

    A. Save face.
    B. Restock.

    Suppose that the deal was the Pats get the Dallas 1st and the Detroit 2nd, while Detroit gets Cassel and three picks -- say the Pats' 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

    Detroit would then be getting FOUR young players for 2 picks, one of them Cassel.

    The Pats would be coming away with five picks in the first 2 rounds, a pick at the end of the 3rd, and four more late picks, which would seem like more than enough.
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