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    He seems to have included tagged players in his calculation. I thought they did not count tagged players when making the calculation.
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    Wilfork at DT is a reasonable Franchise Tag.
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    I would love to see Karlos Dansby become a FA and somehow get signed by the Pats. I know it's an incredibly long shot, but I think he would bring terrific leadership to the D and solidify the middle. Dansby at SILB and Mayo at WILB, behind Wilfork, would be outstanding.

    Just dreaming.
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    You thought wrong:)Franchise players are included in the calculation. See Karlos Dansby and the LB tag number in 2009.

    Franchise and transition tender amounts
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    What is the rule for franchising a player who has previously been tagged, such as Peppers or Dansby? Isn't it a % of their current franchise value?
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    120 percent.
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    Thanks. That's what I thought. So it would cost Arizona around $12M to franchise Dansby. I hear rumors that Arizona will let him hit the market this offseason.
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    Asomugha making 60% on Assante Samuel and less than half of Bailey just seems wrong.
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    That's because the rule is slightly more complex than what Miguel says.(+)

    The franchise number is either the average of the top 5 players' salaries at that position from the previous year, or 120% of the player's own salary from the previous year, whichever is higher(*). . . .

    unless that is the third time a team franchises a player. In that case, it's the higher of 120% of the player's own salary from the previous year, or the highest franchise number at any position(**). . . .

    and Dansby has already been franchised twice by the Cardinals. Thus it would cost not $12M but the $16.4M for quarterbacks.

    (+)It's actually even more complex than what I present here, but I'm not going into details irrelevant to explaining the rumors.
    (*)This is why Julius Peppers' franchise tag was so high this year.
    (**)Nevertheless, the CBA allows a player to sign for 120% of his prior-year salary, even if he is entitled to more money. I do not believe that has ever happened.
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    Thanks for the clarification. I had read that it would cost Arizona close to $17M to franchise Dansby, but hadn't understood where that number came from.

    Sounds like Dansby will be a FA if he's not signed to a long term deal by Arizona.
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    Besides Wilfork, Dansby is the other big name that could interest Belichick.




    Rex Grossman
    Adewale Ogunleye
    Stephen Neal
    Ryan Clark
    Richard Seymour
    Eugene Amano
    Vince Wilfork
    Keith Bulluck
    Kyle Vanden Bosch
    Dunta Robinson
    Chad Clifton
    Bobbie Williams
    Chad Pennington
    Casey Hampton
    Leigh Bodden
    Aaron Kampman
    Julius Peppers
    LaDainian Tomlinson
    Antonio Bryant
    Karlos Dansby

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    He needs to have a long chat with his agent.
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    His deal is worth $45M over three years, requires that they pay him at least the QB franchise number the third year, and IIRC he can't be franchised at the end.
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    He isn't. The numbers there are cap numbers. Manning isn't making $21M this season, he's making $14M or so. Brady isn't making $14M this season, he's making $8M or so.

    Asomugha's deal is huge and short term (3 years voidable to 2) with $28M guaranteed and he's a UFA and untaggable in 2012 if they don't pay him at least $16.8M or the QB tag rate in year 3 of his 3 year $45M deal. No idea how they structured that deal as a $6M cap hit in 2009 but apparently they did. Samuel's deal averages a little under $10M, I think Bailey's averaged a little more.
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