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  1. Rob0729

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    From their Whispers column:

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The Way We Hear It/Whispers/2008/whispers040508.htm

    Take it for what it is worth. Their whispers column can be no more accurate at times than mike Florio's site. Personally, as long as the Pats don't have to give up too much, I think it would be a great move for the Pats.
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    Yes...and can get him to a good contract...so there is no bickering..I think he has a few years left..but if they can get him cheap..and with a good understanding of what is needed here..a GOOD trade.
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    that's good news.

    I woke up this morning thinking "man, the pats could really use another injury-prone defensive back".
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    I noted this in draft day thread on Lito:

    1) In 2004 he signed a 5 year 25MM deal and his base this year is 2MM , guaranteed. Since he is signed through 2011, his bargaining power really is not that great.

    2) His cousin is Gaffeny, FWIW.

    I sure would not be giving up #1 or even a #2...but a 3 & maybe a 5 next year may makes sense, if we can sign him reasonably.
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    I may be wrong, but I believe I've read that the Eagles are looking for a low first rounder in return. Regardless, I highly doubt they will (or would) give him up for "only" third and fifth round picks.

    If, however, the Eagles are interested in someone projected to go in the top ten of the first round, they may swing a trade for Sheppard with a swap of first round picks (Patriots get Lito and pick 19, Eagles get 7), as a move up like that would be a total of 625 points (as per the draft chart), or the equivalent of the 30th pick in the first round.
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    You know, maybe Box was right about your potential Keegs, you have grown on me as a contributor over time...:D

    As long as it's not an expensive proposition it would be hillarious if we acquired him and he (and we) out performed the former NEP CB the Iggles braintrust chose to sign to a highest paid at the position FA contract to replace him. Just one more thing to ruffle Spector's feathers...

    I think perhaps a draft day trade down scenario involving Carolina and Seward is more likely but we shall see. In a deep draft at a position of need for us that arguably isn't top heavy (5-6 top ten talents and no clear cut #1) not sure you want to part with a third or better for Shepard, but a 5th to move down to the teens AND bag Seward might be a savvy play. Depends on whether Fox wants a player who is a top 5 on his board and not ours who is still available at #7. Especially if that's a player the Ravens at #8 or Bears at #10 might also be hoping to maneuver for.
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    If the Pats were unwilling to redo his contract, would he show up

    for the start of the season?
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    thanks.

    Yeah i would like it if we got Lito, i just like making fun of how our DBs are always injured.

    I think there's a good chance he could out-perform Asante if he comes here.

    I never thought Samuel was that great.
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    So then how do we afford him and a LB, if they even like any in the later rounds? Draft speculation, IMO.
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    I think this would be a good move for the Pats if they can get him even for a 2. Elite CBs don't come cheap and he would help you guys plug the hole you still have back there. As a Bills fan, I can tell you that Jason Webster ain't likely to be the answer, even if he can stay on the field. (I ought to forward you the threads of Falcons fans messages to us on him last year about him not being able to stay on the field.) As for Asante tanking, just see how Nate Clements did for SF after signing one of the richest deals ever for a defensive player--the $80 million man played slightly better than a middle of the road free agent. I saw several of their games and saw him get burned in each one. Paying all that money to "shut down" corners is a risky business.....
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    Well the Pats must have some strong intrest in Lito this is the second time we've heard that there intrested, the other time was the start of free agency from draftdaddy so will see what happens...
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    Would be a solid, not spectacular, accquisition and would help out our secondary. I am interested to see if DRC's kidney situation see's him fall come dradt day.
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    Moss was acquired for a 4th and took a huge pay cut.

    Let's not get carried away and think that's the norm.

    Looks to me like the Pats cut a big salary, carefully screened affordable vets to get a decent starter and veteran depth and are most likely, by their history, to spend picks on a CB than anything else this year.

    Where does Lito fit into that?

    With the always inflated market for "name" CBs, I'd be surprised if Lito doesn't look for a renegotiation and Philly doesn't look for a pretty high pick.

    If we pay both ways, why wouldn't we have saved the pick and paid Asante?

    I see the moves so far paving the way for 1 or 2 CBs from the draft, Richardson and we're set.
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    You hear a story that "sounds good" as a rumor twice so it's more credible?

    Apparently you don't subscribe to the Weekly World News as I do.:D
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    who knows maybe were goin away from that 12 yard soft zone to more of a physical man coverage scheme which happens to better fit Lito then Asante, just a thought....
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    no a rumors a rumor to me but if it keeps coming up you start to think maybe theres something behind it...
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    No doubt it's possible. I just see the recent moves and ability to have some young athletes under rookie contract for years as more logical.
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    Think I would rather spend a 3rd on Carpenter with the Cowboys. He would work out well here in my opinion as a ILB and BB won't fret picking a rookie LB that high.
    If both were doable CAP wise I would like that.
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    Well, when I see a team with one returning cornerback and a good cornerback being dangled, I call that a "sounds good" coincidence that a writer will speculate about regardless of "whispers".

    If it's speculation (whispers? I think it is) then I apply the Billy Preston equation of nothing plus nothing = nothing.:D

    Of course the Pats are "interested" in any talent that could help. Legitimate? Not at a high price IMO.
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    This is a good point, but doesn't it matter what kind of renegotiation he wants? Certainly he isn't looking for an Asante-level overpayday, but if he is, clearly he's not worth it. No corner is. I'm glad we let Asante go at this point, he will never be worth all that money, and if we could get Lito for a decent price, it may be worth it.
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    I listen to Ray Diddinger on WIP from Philly. He has a Sat. am show. Kills the time doing laundry, groceriest, etc. I can't stand the knuckleheads on WEEI Sat. am. He may be the only sensible journalist in Philly. He has mentioned that from his angle Lito for a swap of firsts is fair for both teams. Other than Lito's health. His contract is the key. I'm not keen on ripping it up and giving him 7-8m per year.
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    Id probably do that, the number 19th pick would be alot chaeper then the 7th pick and still would probably be able to pick up Groves or Harvey... just depends on what Lito's looking for contract wise.
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    He's a "name" cornerback. In my mind he can get a huge contract and Philly can get a good trade if that's what they want.

    Look at Clements last year.

    I know he's not a free agent, but I don't see him willing to play out the rest of that contract.

    Having young athletic cornerbacks on first contracts seems the way to go to me.
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    I am sure Philly would love a first round swap....stick it Andy.

    With Lito's current deal, good through 2011 at 5MM per with 2MM guaranteed - I think he takes anything that pays him a little more and gives him a bit more in guaranteed money.

    I sure have no interest in talking about our #1 for him and am not too thrilled discussing our #2 - start with the #3 and maybe throw in 5 or a 6 and we could have something.

    Philly has a problem....signing Asante for what they did insults Lito (and a whole bunch of others on their defense as well). They need to move him and I would doubt they want him in their own division or even the NFC.
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    Whoever has Sheppard's rights has all the power in this situation. He still has four more years left on his contract. This isn't a franchise tag, one year, "I'm-gonna-sit-out-until-you-pay-me" situation; he will either play under that contract for the four years (or accept whatever the team is willing to pay above and beyond that) or he will not play football again.

    I have a question for someone more knowledgeable: from what I've seen, Lito is owed another $2.9 million in prorated bonuses. If he were to be traded, the Eagles would eat that money and his new team would just be responsible for his salary, right?
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    Or just a road flare.:)
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    Good point. Doesn't stop him refusing to report without a reworked contract, though.

    Not like it hasn't been done.
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    I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what's better; someone with some experience or a young guy who has all the athletic tools, but with no track record (and since track record means injuries maybe this is useless anyway :) ).

    I completely agree that if he wants a big contract it is not worth it, no disagreement there.
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