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    Live-Blogging Obama’s Town Hall Meeting - Washington Wire - WSJ

    At the 1:17PM mark..
    I ask this and if someone can answer non-confrontationally, I'm listening.
    How do you add 50 million people, 20% to the health care rolls and defy the laws of supply and demand? Right now health care providers are fully booked and you wait. Am I to believe that when they are 20% busier, there won't be waiting lines? Please don't give me the line about efficiency, there is still time face to face, and unless they add a day to the week or work weekends, there will be increased demand, with associated lines, waiting for care???
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    For those who complain about the rationing of health resources... how is that more immoral than letting people die simply because they are poor?
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    Additionally, when everything is "free" people will go to the doctor even more - why not, it's free - which will further burden the system.
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    (Although I doubt your premise that poor people are out on the street dying) Why is it moral to have some people pay for other people's healthcare ?
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    Because helping people is moral.
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    OMFG.......the more barry squirms, the more it looks like he's sinking in poop
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    I didn't doubt there are homeless people. I'm not sure what pictures of homeless people do. Every fast food place I walk past says "now hiring"; that would be a start.

    Being forced to ? The moral thing, IMO, is to make it easy for people to help in whatever way they choose.
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    I don't know Pop Tart , I don't think this guy wants to be helped?
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    so help them........go ahead.......right now....let me know when you get back
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    He's telling the insurance companies he wants the public option.
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    I already do, and we've shown that the existing charitable framework is not nearly enough.
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    HAving a house is moral should we buy everyone a house? I would like a house like T Brady cshould the gov give it to me?

    This is great much better than working...
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    Thought Obama did a great job today, kept a level head and dispelled all of the right wing hysterical spin..
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    its because YOU don't help enough
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    kind of works that way when you're spoon-feeding B.S.
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    Jesus Christ you are incoherent.
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    I bet he doesn't even know what is in these bills. I do know his family won't e in the public option...
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    Saying you won't have to wait in any lines is simply not true.
    Saying "we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care you need" is simply not true.

    He could have said they won't get worse, I'd disagree but he could viably say it. He's a liar, and a good one. That's what he is.
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    What a joke, handpicked questions and democrats only, pathetic. I almost fell out of my chair when the little girl asked about the "sign" people. :rofl:
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    SO I guess you did not see it, maybe Beck,Rush, Sarah or even Chuck Norris will interpret it for you...
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    Former Illinois governor Rod Blagoyavich sure has gotten old and bitter this last year.
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    I am not questioning the morality of rationing resources, I asking from an economic, practical point of view how it is possible to add 20% stress to the system and not expect the obvious, waiting in line?
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    Finding a way to provide housing is moral, yes. I would think that the Christians here would find that a central part of the most important story of their religion.

    No.

    Except nobody's suggesting we pay for people who merely choose not to work.
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    You obviously only saw what Fox wanted you to see.. there were detractors and non believers as well... should have watched the whole thing.
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    You just shut your god damn yap, you hear, MISTER? We WILL pump millions more into the system, we WILL do without the need to "ration" care, and not only that, it's gonna only cost half as much as we pay now. No lines either.

    Don't ask the stupid HOW question. Because Obama FUKCING says so, that's how. Thats all you need to know.

    How un-patriotic of you to sit here and ask these things.





    :D Not bad, huh? I'm even thinking for going for ONE OF THESE JOBS.

    Seriously Philly, YOU CAN'T DO IT without smoke and mirrors........ there really is nothing to say beyond that.
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    one could argue that you only saw what you wanted to see
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    The gubmits job isn't to be moral. It's to uphold the constitution. I hear ya bud, but if people want to be arseholes in this country, they have the right to be.
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    The Obama Town Hall was a big 'setup' all those fawning slopping grinning groupies sitting behind him were the same left wing a$s holes that were there during his campaign, the real Americans were out in the street demonsrating.

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    One could argue that you are an arsehole as well, my point is that he did a pretty good job dispelling the lies and myths.. and if it was not staged listened to both sides of the aisle...
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    Both sides of what aisle, the democratic national convention aisle?

    This country is losing it's economic foothold every moment this guy's in office. We could all pick money off our money trees for the rest of the summer and not have enough to pay for the debts this guy is running up!

    What are the reforms in his healthcare plan!!!!!!!

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