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  1. mgteich

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    It's the day before camp. How could I fail to start a roster thread? Much can happen, but I see 47 roster spots as pretty well sown up. Among the 47, there will be lots and lots of competition for position in the depth chart, and for reps one the season starts.

    I have settled on seven defensive linemen. I suspect that we will end up with six. But for now, these seven all seem to be part of a 53 man roster.

    OFFENSE (25)
    QB (2) BRADY, HOYER
    RB (4) MARONEY, FAULK, MORRIS, Taylor (or a free agent)
    WR (7) MOSS, WELKER, EDELMAN, HOLT, TATE, PRICE, AIKEN
    TE (3) GRANKOWSKI, HERNANDEZ, CRUMPLER
    OL (9) LIGHT, KACZUR, KOPPEN, NEAL, VOLLMER
    CONNOLLY, LEVOIR, Larsen, Ohrnberger/Bussey/Welch (I prefer a free agent)

    DEFENSE (25)
    DL (7) WARREN, WILFORK, WARREN, WRIGHT, BRACE, Lewis, Pryor
    OLB (5) BANTA-CAIN, BURGESS, WOODS, NINKOVICH, CUNNINGHAM
    ILB (4) MAYO, SPIKES, GUYTON, MCKENZIE
    CB (5) BODDEN, BUTLER, MCCOURTY, WILHITE, Arrington/Wheatley/fa
    S (4) MERIWEATHER, SANDERS, CHUNG, MCGOWAN

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K (1) GOSTKOWSKI
    P (1) MESKO
    LS (1) INGRAM
     
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    I do not see keeping Aiken as much as I like him as a superb St guy. Since the Pats no longer need him as a WR back-up, his spot on the roster might be better going to a seventh DL and keep Arrington and Wheatley thereby providing great depth at DL and DB.
     
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    Agree on the D and specialist. I would see 6 wr and 5 RB given the age of the RB group.

    Other than that, in agreement.
     
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    Ok here's mine. I don't know why because i am a big fan of the two but i think maybe one out of morris of taylor might not make it but here we go.

    OFFENSE (25)
    QB (2) BRADY, HOYER
    RB (4) MARONEY, FAULK, MORRIS, BJGE
    WR (7) MOSS, WELKER, EDELMAN, HOLT, TATE, PRICE, AIKEN
    TE (3) GRANKOWSKI, HERNANDEZ, CRUMPLER
    OL (9) LIGHT, KACZUR, KOPPEN, NEAL, VOLLMER
    CONNOLLY, LEVOIR, Larsen, Ohrnberger (Welsh to the PS)

    DEFENSE (25)
    DL (6) WARREN, WILFORK, WARREN, WRIGHT, BRACE, Pryor (Unfortunately lewis doesn't make it in the numbers game)
    OLB (5) BANTA-CAIN, BURGESS, WOODS, NINKOVICH, CUNNINGHAM
    ILB (4) MAYO, SPIKES, GUYTON, MCKENZIE
    CB (6) BODDEN, BUTLER, MCCOURTY, WILHITE, Arrington,Wheatley (what can i say i like the extra db and i have a soft spot for wheatly because i want some more otu of the 2008 draft)
    S (4) MERIWEATHER, SANDERS, CHUNG, MCGOWAN

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K (1) GOSTKOWSKI
    P (1) MESKO
    LS (1) INGRAM
     
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    Have we ever kept 7 WRs? You have 7 locks.
    Dont know how G Warren is a lock and Lewis isnt. What are you basing that on? To me they are neck and neck.
     
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    It depends on whether you counted Ventrone and Slater as SR's or STers.

    I could have listed Aiken and Tate as STer's.
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    Yes, I think Warren is more likely to make the roster than Lewis. I think that you will find that most analysts agree. With regard to Lewis, I do have him as the #6 DL over Pryor.




     
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    We've almost always had a couple spots that end up being players who are top special teamers and play little if at all at a position. Aiken is the special team captain and a top special teamer. There is always room for a couple.

    I also think that it is quite possible that we will keep Wheatley. It is camp injuries that will determine that final rosters spot. We also could keep only eight OL's.

     
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    Actually, I have no problem cutting Pryor for Wheatley. I would rather keep Lewis.

    Green-Ellis hasn't shown anything. If Taylor doesn't make it, I suspect that Belichick will pick up a free agent early or one of the 600 final cuts.[

    QUOTE=jsull87;1866401]Ok here's mine. I don't know why because i am a big fan of the two but i think maybe one out of morris of taylor might not make it but here we go.

    OFFENSE (25)
    QB (2) BRADY, HOYER
    RB (4) MARONEY, FAULK, MORRIS, BJGE
    WR (7) MOSS, WELKER, EDELMAN, HOLT, TATE, PRICE, AIKEN
    TE (3) GRANKOWSKI, HERNANDEZ, CRUMPLER
    OL (9) LIGHT, KACZUR, KOPPEN, NEAL, VOLLMER
    CONNOLLY, LEVOIR, Larsen, Ohrnberger (Welsh to the PS)

    DEFENSE (25)
    DL (6) WARREN, WILFORK, WARREN, WRIGHT, BRACE, Pryor (Unfortunately lewis doesn't make it in the numbers game)
    OLB (5) BANTA-CAIN, BURGESS, WOODS, NINKOVICH, CUNNINGHAM
    ILB (4) MAYO, SPIKES, GUYTON, MCKENZIE
    CB (6) BODDEN, BUTLER, MCCOURTY, WILHITE, Arrington,Wheatley (what can i say i like the extra db and i have a soft spot for wheatly because i want some more otu of the 2008 draft)
    S (4) MERIWEATHER, SANDERS, CHUNG, MCGOWAN

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K (1) GOSTKOWSKI
    P (1) MESKO
    LS (1) INGRAM[/QUOTE]
     
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    Well McCourty has been talked about as a 4 down guy since we drafted him so somebody going to lose out in on STs because of that. My guess is that Aiken is the man that will lose out.
     
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    What 'analysts' have even commented on, much less thought about whether Gerard Warren or Damione Lewis is more likely to play for the Pats?

    I still dont think you get 7 WRs by counting special teamers? Neither of those guys actually were WRs either, they were trained there in camp, because they would make the team as a s/ter so they were taught a position on the other side of the ball for emergency purposes. Both are primarily defensive players aside from special teams. Aiken is entirely a WR.
     
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    I can already picture it now. With every tidbit and nugget of information disseminating from journalists and pfw bloggers covering TC, we will routinely make adjustments to our 53-man rosters. "oh, so-and-so looked good today in the morning session, looks like Wheatley's off again to make room for so-and-so"

    Got to love TC and the bajillion sources we read about camp battles and performances. There's nothing quite like it. :)
     
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    Guess everyone figures that Mankins is a wash for this team... hope not.
     
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    Darryl...we've seen this movie before...Branch,Milloy,Law, Bledsoe etc.

    He's a very good player..he also has very defined ethics or whatever you want to call it.Living in Cal. and roping calves is not exactly the Left Coast paradigm. I think he's gone and has been gone since the line in the sand was drawn...add to that the physical manhandling he took versus the Giants in the Bowl and I get the feeling BB isn't that worried about filling his guard spot. I love the guy but the team philosophy towards building a roster HERE precludes his asking price.
     
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    Not defending, just hoping it would get worked out.. it is what it is, the business of patriots football..
     
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    Guard isa never a major priority on any football team...it's great to have dominant guards..no question...but LT and RT and a dominant center can carry any team.I love Mankins because I love who he is in today's narcississtic sports world BUT...think...Willie went to Cleveland...Law went to the dyam Jets! Branch stays here who knows how famous he would have gotten.It's the philosophy...there's a lot of ways to win in this league...since 2000 only one team has shown it can do it in a consistent fashion...and when that team doesn't play AS A TEAM, they ultimately lose at crunch time.Think, how did the whole country MISS why BB let Brady run the offense in the first bowl? The ultimate team player...Troy Brown...had the hole in StL defense from the start. In hindsight, if you can get Vinitieri in FG range in a dome,you win...and yet,the Pats let HIM walk...yeah I hate it but it works...and not to beat a dead horse,whatever Bill wants to do is fine with me.He's the most prepared,intelligent and steel nerved coach I've ever seen.
     
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    My BOTTOM LINE is that Aiken is our top special teamer and will make the team as such. List him as a safety or center if you want; it doesn't matter. He won't be playing on the offense or defense.

    To be clear, I think that there is always room for one or two players who will not see the field except for a couple of plays all year except on special teams. Last year, we had Aiken, Slater, Alexander and Lockett (I would even include Arrington here).

    It seems that BECAUSE Aiken is able to play wide receiver, that is considered a negative. The fact of the matter is that Aiken won't make the 2010 as a wide receiver.

    BTW, how many plays did Eric Alexander play last yer at linebacker, even after we had injuries? Eric Alexander is a special teamer. I recall when we disagreed on whether to list Slater and Ventrone on the offense or defense. That was because they played neither.

     
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    I thought Pryor played very well last year considering he was a late round rookie. I feel he's in a position very similar to Edelman on the other side of the ball. Despite bringing in talent like Holt and Price, I don't see how we could possibly cut Edelman. And despite bringing in talent like Lewis and Warren, I don't see how we could possibly cut Pryor.
     
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    So, you're saying that you can't possibly see how G. Warren or Lewis could be more valuable to the patriots than Pryor. I respect your position. I just disagree. BTW, i am NOT saying that Pryor is likely to be cut. I am just saying that I could see circumstances where Pryor is the odd man out.

    And just BTW, you compare Pryor with Edelman. Edelman started in place of the best slot receiver in football and did well. In how many games did Pryor start?

     
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    Final Three Roster Spots

    FINAL THREE ROSTER SPOTS (3)
    These can be at any position are are wide open at this point. For me, absent injuries, there are no "needs" beyond the 50. Perhaps it is useful to consider whether you all see any "needs". When we look at the Game 2 and Game 5 rosters, we may see three more special teamers as is often the case (it was last year).

    OFFENSE (23)
    QB (2) BRADY, HOYER
    RB (4) MARONEY, FAULK, MORRIS, Taylor/fa/Green-Ellis
    WR (6) MOSS, WELKER, EDELMAN, HOLT, TATE, PRICE
    TE (3) GRANKOWSKI, HERNANDEZ, CRUMPLER
    OL (8) LIGHT, KACZUR, KOPPEN, NEAL, VOLLMER, CONNOLLY, LEVOIR, Larsen

    DEFENSE (23)
    DL (6) WARREN, WILFORK, WRIGHT, BRACE, Warren/Lewis/Pryor, Warren/Lewis/Pryor
    OLB (5) BANTA-CAIN, BURGESS, WOODS, NINKOVICH, CUNNINGHAM
    ILB (4) MAYO, SPIKES, GUYTON, MCKENZIE
    CB (4) BODDEN, BUTLER, MCCOURTY, WILHITE
    S (4) MERIWEATHER, SANDERS, CHUNG, MCGOWAN

    SPECIALISTS (4)
    K (1) GOSTKOWSKI
    P (1) MESKO
    LS (1) INGRAM
    ST (1) Aiken/Arrington
     
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    OFFENSE (24)
    QB (2) BRADY, HOYER
    RB (4) MARONEY, FAULK, MORRIS, BJGE
    WR (6) MOSS, WELKER, EDELMAN, HOLT, TATE, PRICE,
    TE (3) GRANKOWSKI, HERNANDEZ, CRUMPLER
    OL (9) LIGHT, KACZUR, KOPPEN, NEAL, VOLLMER
    CONNOLLY, LEVOIR, LARSEN

    DEFENSE (26)
    DL (6) WARREN, WILFORK, WARREN, WRIGHT, BRACE, PRYOR
    OLB (6) BANTA-CAIN, BURGESS, WOODS, NINKOVICH, CUNNINGHAM, Williams or Murrell
    ILB (4) MAYO, SPIKES, GUYTON, MCKENZIE
    CB (6) BODDEN, BUTLER, MCCOURTY, WILHITE, ARRINGTON, WHEATLEY
    S (4) MERIWEATHER, SANDERS, CHUNG, MCGOWAN

    SPECIALISTS (3)
    K (1) GOSTKOWSKI
    P (1) MESKO
    LS (1) INGRAM

    I have 6 areas we disagree on. Cut Aikens - McCourty is a ST demon and along with Arrington provide great outside gunners. Keep BJGE and cut Taylor because of the age difference and the fact that Taylor doesn't play ST and BJGE does. Keep Larsen as the 9th OL. Keep Pryor over Lewis (age) and the 2nd year is the biggest jump in learning. Brace could be in trouble here too! Keep either Williams or Murrell as ST LB. A LB is different than WR in ST's. I like having a LB back as the punt protector. Keep both Arrington (my binky) and Wheatlley. BB just likes having extra DB's and LBs.

    I ike your last change in adding 1 ST regardless of position (ie Larry Izzo).
     
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