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  1. Patters

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    Headline here

    Among the things he said is that we need a generational change and that Obama is reaching out to a more diverse crowd in the country in an inclusive way. He compared McCain's reaction to the economic crisis to Obama's, saying that Obama had a "calm, steady, intellectual response." He also objected to McCain's strategy, saying something like "last week they called Obama a terrorist; this week they're calling him a socialist."

    (FYI, Here's how racist Fox News prepared for this event:

    Hip-Hop-Dancing Colin Powell Fuels Speculation He'll Endorse Obama)
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    #24 Jersey

    Well, that's a stunner :rolleyes: Gotta be part of that 98% you know.
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    I'm not shocked at all. Colin Powell has withdrawn from Washington over the years.

    Maybe we'll see Powell as Secretary of State. that would be an awesome selection.

    Powell has seen the incompetence and doesn't want to see more. You can't dispute a Powell endorsement.;)
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    #24 Jersey

    My little joke aside, Powell is largely irrelevant in my mind. As has been discussed before he gave the speech that turned support for the war. He was as in on it as anyone outside of Bush and Cheney.

    "Jack Straw and his US counterpart, Colin Powell, privately expressed serious doubts about the quality of intelligence on Iraq's banned weapons programme at the very time they were publicly trumpeting it to get UN support for a war on Iraq, the Guardian has learned."

    Straw, Powell had serious doubts over their Iraqi weapons claims | Politics | The Guardian

    Powell has nothing to be proud of. And why he would be an "awesome selection" as Secretary of State when he already failed at that job at the biggest time, I'm not sure.
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    This is a very interesting move.. always respected him up to his caving in on the Iraqi intelligence thing.
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    I have a 9 year old half-black nephew. Pyschologists say that it's at around the age of 9 that kids become aware of institutionalized racism. But for my nephew, learning about men like Powell and Obama, who are equals among men, must allow him to believe more fully in this society. And having men like Powell and Obama, too exceptionally bright and intellectual, is not only great for my nephew but for black youth in general, many of whom are sure to become more motivated to read, to study, and to learn.
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    He failed because Cheney's point of view won the day. Cheney represents the money interests that got Bush elected, something Powell could not compete with given Bush's value system.
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    Surprisingly, I'm with you on this one. He chose not to have a spine at the most important possible time, and lied to get us into a war. This endorsement probably helps, but I'm no fan of Colin Powell.
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    Agreed on all counts. Just the fact Powell extricated himself from W's administration WAY before Obama became a household word tells me just about all I need to know. If McCain was truly such a "maverick" in Washington why didn't Powell back his own party? And given his illustrious achievement record I'll give him more credit than to just back a candidate for reasons other than qualifications:rolleyes: Only wiki but he's got a pretty impressive resume; I'd love to see him back in Washington: Colin Powell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    If he had resigned or spoken out in protest he might have averted a war.
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    I agree, but from what I've read he seems to claim that the administration knowingly deluded him by giving him false information. I think he resigned soon after he spoke at the UN, and was sort of ashamed about it. That was my sense at the time. That said, after resigning, he should have been far, far, far more vocal.
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    Follow the money and the answer will come.
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    #24 Jersey

    :confused:

    When I say that I'm called a racist.

    Anyway, that's a nice story but it's no reason to elect this man President. It may shock you but of all the big item things in this country I would love to change if I could, getting minorities to believe in education and the possibilities it brings would be right at the top; but I don't think Obama being elected would do it.
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    Gimme a break. Nothing was stopping that train. Bush was heavily influenced by Cheney and played on everyone's fear. Everyone was looking for blood. Cheney had done a plan on invading Iraq back in the 90's
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    #24 Jersey

    That's what all the CYAs say now. He was Secretary of State, I don't believe him. Neither does the link I provided.
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    sorry, I'm just not letting Powell off that easy. If he's as easy to dupe as Patters suggests, then he's insanely incompetent. If he knowingly lied because the "train couldn't be stopped" then he was willfully complicit. Either way he let America down and I'm not going to pretend that I like him or his endorsement.
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    Honestly, BF, what surprises me more is that you have so little understanding of the nonwhite experience that you could support legal discrimination based on race. It surprises me because I know you believe deeply in education (even so far as having a pretty sympathetic view on public education). I almost think that you don't have much human contact with people of color.

    A few years ago, I said that if Powell ran for President, I would have strongly considered him. I think having a minority in the White House, should it happen, would go very far towards healing racial divisions. I think it could have serious international and very positive ramifications.
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    I think a man of integrity resigns his position while one who isn't can't admit his mistake.

    This brings up the eternal question. can a completely honest person hold a position of power high up in government. You would hope so. But unfortunately when you hang out with rats on both parties it must be hard to play your own rules.
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    I'm not sure I have any issue with Powell not vocalizing his reasons for leaving his administration,at least not given the state of things at that time.I wish he did, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should have. There's just too much we don't know therefore we can't really judge his actions as 'bad' nor should we annoint him as Saint Colin, but given the perception of 'evil' that surrounds W and Cheney I'm leaning more towards giving Powell the bennies until absolutely proven otherwise. There's just too much that's rotten there to pass judgement on Powell's actions/nonactions and the reasons for them without at least considering that factor.
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    Powell Endorses Obama:
    Jesus what a surprise, I had to go lie down after that one, I thought sure he would support Sarah Palin, you just never know.

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