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  1. patfanken

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    I wanted to get this off before it was "tainted" by comments from the media or other fans.

    1. When you have a game like we saw tonight, there is a tendency to get overly positive about EVERYTHING. But then again it's hard not to ;)

    2. The most impressive thing to be to come out of this game for me was the almost flawless pass protection that Tom Brady enjoyed for his entire night. This is especially impressive because it came against a very good Panther front 7. This was starting to become a concern over the first 2 games. But last night, even without Connolly and Volmer, the Pats OL pitched a virtual shutout on a very good Carolina DL. Impressive.

    3. The second most impressive factor was how well the Pats front 7 stopped the run. Again impressive because the Panthers were known as a good running team coming into the game.

    4. I can't tell you how excited I am about the possibility that we will start to see a "focus-less" WR corps where Tom's favorite receiver truly be "the open man". Brady spread the ball around to Thomkins, LaFell, Edelman, DA and Vareen. All got a number of looks at various times. It was great to see.

    5. We are starting to see the effect of good pass coverage will have on our sack totals.

    6. I was just starting to think, "Boy, Chandler Jones seems pretty invisible this pre-season, when BAM, he explodes for 3 big plays in both the pass and run game. Jones is know for his developing pass rush success, but we shouldn't forget there isn't a better DE in the league vs the run. He's really outstanding. I find it scary to think that he MIGHT have been a Jet. :eek:

    7. Kelvin Benjamin is a very impressive rookie. He made most of his catches vs very tight coverage, and looks like a guy who will be hard to deal with for most teams.

    8. About the ONLY time the first team had serious problems with the the Panthers passing attack was on those 2 deep TE routes that Newton missed.

    9. Anyone who saw Brady last night will want to put a hold on thoughts of his decline. 17 for 21 with 3 clean drops, is going to send shivers throughout the DC community.....and this is WITHOUT Dobson and Gronk. The long pass to Edelman was a thing of beauty.

    10. Another note on Brady. For the first time in a LONG time, I actual thought the offense looked smoother when it went downfield rather than with the short game.

    11. While I thought the Pats came out with a clear intention to work on the pass game, the running game was a bit disappointing. I still don't see anything make me want to keep Robert White on the roster. J. Grey looked like the better back, not that I particularly want to see him either. Ridley was clearly the best RB and had a couple of nice runs, but he also had a few where he didn't have a chance to even get back to the LOS. The running game needs some work, especially on the OL.

    12. Shane Vereen is going to demand coverage by a DB. LB's don't have a chance, and he looks poised to have a big year, because he's no slouch running the ball either. It looks to me like all we need at RB is Vereen and Ridley plus a reliable backup, White, Grey, Bolden, take your pick, I don't care. Those 3 plus Devlin and I think they would be all set. (plus a guy on the PS).

    13. Chung looks like he has the edge in the "2nd safety derby", though both Wilson and Harmon both seemed to have good nights with the back ups. Unlike many here, I'm getting more and more comfortable with our safety depth. I don't think we are going to get "great play" from whomever wins the job, but I think we are going to get "competent play", and that's going to be enough given all the other parts we will have out there.

    14. The biggest negative, I thought were the refs again. Matt Chatham hit it perfectly with his comments on the "hands to the face" penalties. I have no idea how defensive linemen and LB's can play this game without inadvertently getting their hand on the helmet. I can almost live with the ticky tack defensive holding calls, but this hands to the fact rule would absolutely ruin the game, since it could be called EVERY single play. Which means when it IS called, its being called capriciously. In other words, the official has the ability to throw it whenever he feels like it.

    "In the interest of fairness" they called several offensive interference calls for blocking before the pass. In BOTH cases I saw, the blocks were clearly made AFTER the catch. My other complaint about the officiating is not about their calls, but Christian Fauria's comments. On at least 2 occasions he made light of 2 interference calls against the Panthers, when on BOTH occasions there actually was blatant contact well before the ball got there.

    No one is more against this virtual torrent of yellow than I am, but you just weaken the credibility of the position when you vilify even the legitimate calls.

    15. The things that impress me most about Garoppolo are his poise in the pocket and his decision making. It's remarkable, especially when you consider where he played in college. It's hard for me to equate this Jimmie Garoppolo with the QB I saw for so many practices a few weeks ago. With every opportunity it looks more and more that the Pats made a good pick. Now whether it was the RIGHT pick for the Pats, is another question entirely. ;)

    16. While the Pats have been known in the past for finding young undrafted FA's, I can't think of a season where it seems like so many are making strong cases for a job. Along with Butler, Tyms and DFlemming, others like JGray, TMcCuller, and JDavis, all popped tonight.

    17. There is a lot more that I could talk about, but I leave that to rest of you to add to my post. Among the questions that I want answered are:

    a. I saw Darius Fleming pop on one play, was he consistently good enough to earn a roster spot?

    b. How did Worthy look in appearance with the back ups?

    c. What about the play of Buchanan, Bequette, and Moore?

    d. What about the early snaps Beauharnais got and his pick, as well as the solid play of the rest of the young LB's?


    I'll end it here and enjoy the rest of my night reading what others have to say about tonight. :D
     
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    I don't like the idea of Edelman returning punts all season long. More risk of injury to your #1 WR.
     
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    Despite an easy drop, I think more and more thomkins is going to have a huge impact while Dobson tries to catch up. He is always open, has the best cuts and has the Vulcan mind meld going on with Brady, he seems to catch balls in stride, meaning he's making theright choices..
    Just get over the nerves on the easy ones and he's going to do damage, I predict.

    Great stuff Ken, but didn't you get the memo? Our OLine stinks.:rolleyes:
     
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    You noted that you see Vereen as a viable rusher, I never really see that with any consistency, though this might be a relevant question, Ridley has a FB in the game for a lot of his rush attempts helping to lead the way, does Vereen ever get the lead blocker treatment?

    It seems like more often than not Vereen run plays are when hes the only back in the backfield and the offense is spread out. I don't like it.

    I'd be more than shocked if Vereen ended the season with more carries than Ridley assuming they both play in the same amount of games. Vereen as a pass catcher though, unrivaled on this team and for the most part in the NFL, very few RB's capable of his plays catching out of the backfield.
     
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    Vereen will have a monster year if he stays healthy.
     
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    Completely unrelated, but here's a really cool Revis picture from the game.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Absolutely was IMO. Of course it's an insurance policy we hope to never use but what happens if next July Brady tears his ACL ? Mallett's gone as a FA. Now we have JG. We would have a mess unless we got lucky with a mid to low pick. JG was just a low #2, that's not a high price for a QB who looks like he can win for us if necessary.
     
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    I'm as high on JG as everyone else right now, I just really hope what we're seeing is a sign of what we'll get in the future, he looks like a stud through three preseason games so far, no matter who he's played with or against.

    It just never looks too big for him, which is amazing coming from a kid whose games had a lower attendance than our practices.
     
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    Thanks for the footnotes!

    10, like to hear, excited to watch the dvr tomorrow.

    That said, I think the explanation for 11 lies within observation 2...

    We knew the ol would be "iffy," heading into the game. Carolina held Johnson out, which I'd assume helped the pass protection.

    Did Maneiri see much time? That off balanced line with solder/vollmer/maneiri, plus Develin leading the way...

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    ST (Punts incl ) is 1/3 of the game. IMO he is hands down the best p return man in the nfl; and you want to take him off the field.....?:eek:

    If you look at his avg return it is like the offense already getting one first down (7-10yds) in their offensive series; on only one play!
     
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    I can't wait until Dobson and gronk return. There's 2 more playmakers Tom hasn't been able to use yet
     
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    I can't wait until Dobson and gronk return. There's 2 more playmakers Tom hasn't been able to use yet
     
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    Agreed, after tonight that fact almost seems forgotten or lost on some, we looked that game-ready without our #1 playmaker and someone who should be 3rd or 4th in targets.
     
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    So true. That first one he (I was thinking let it go!) caught at the two, and to his credit brought out to the twenty five was a small example of just how good he is. Granted, he pulls that type of shit in the regular season I'll hate him (subjecting himself to more contact, not taking the safe start at the twenty), but it was a nifty little return. Nothing flashy, just reading the field and finding his crease. And he does that on a regular basis.

    He had that vision as a rookie. I still remember (I was there) him dropping the quick pass from Brady while turning his head up field and already running in the infamous ravens playoff debacle...apologies for the run-on. Seriously though, find a .gif/YouTube of that play, he would have been gone and he knew it. Thank god it seems he has learned the most important thing is catching the ball first, and earning Brady's trust!
     
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    Thompkins has one glaring flaw...lapses of concentration...other than that he looks 100% past where he was last season.

    LaFell butchered a couple of passes too. LIke the way he's working in.

    Edelman is pure money. I can't wait for the chicken little garbage to start about him.

    Amendola is where he's supposed to be. Great hands. Nice 1-2 punch without ANY doubt.

    No Gronk, no Hooman tonight...basically ran a RB/WR offense...I thought they looked much farther along than they have the past two weeks.

    No Mayo, and no Hightower. Collins shouldered a lot of responsibility. He is definitely going to be an impact player this season.

    As will Chandler Jones. When he plays standing up he wreaks havoc. I like it...a lot.

    Gost hit from 60...dyam
     
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    He's been the best punt returner in the league for the past 4 years. He's going to return punts.
     
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    I am still in shock after watching Ghost kick a FG from 60 yards out. 60 YARDS! The team record up to now was 57, and Vinatieri's longest with the Patriots was 54, Frikkin' amazing.

    I know it was preseason, and the weather damned perfect, but it also shows what he might be able to do in a dome, if needs be. He's still one of our moneymakers.
     
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    You don't have one of the best punt returners in the history NFL not returning punts.
     
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    Last year his 8 games averaged out to 16 his season would have been something like this

    Receiving
    94 Receptions
    854 Yards
    6 TD

    Would have been an all-time top ten season by a RB in receiving.

    I really want him to get 1050 yards receiving. Would knock marshall faulk out of the #2 spot for most rec. yards in a season by a RB.
     
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    Even better answer to "how does Revis look":D
     
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