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  1. furley

    furley Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Having three selections in the second round, I feel that it's this round that's more imperative for New England to have success (potential starters) than the first round. Because Belichick could trade out of the first round again unless someone unexpectedly falls who was rated high on their draft board. Some of these players could improve their stock where they could be selected in the first round. For now, I'll view them as second round options.


    Offense

    Jermaine Gresham TE (assuming he slides)
    Demaryius Thomas WR
    Eric Decker WR
    Jordan Shipley WR
    Ben Tate RB
    Maurkice Pouncey C
    Vladimir Ducasse OT
    Mike Johnson OG

    Defense

    Sean Weatherspoon OLB
    Eric Norwood OLB
    Roddrick Muckelroy OLB
    Daryl Washington ILB
    D'Anthony Smith DT
    Lamarr Houston DT/DE
    Javier Arenas CB
    Kyle Wilson CB
    Trevard Lindley CB
    Myron Rolle SS
     
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    I would add Golden Tate and Jahvid Best on offense, if they last long enough.

    On defense I don't consider most of the guys you have listed 2nd round picks or options for the Pats. Except for possibly Eric Norwood, I would scrap your entire list. I would include:

    Greg Hardy, DE/OLB
    Austen Lane, DE/OLB
    Jason Pierre-Paul, DE/OLB (if he slips)
    Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB
    Ricky Sapp, DE/OLB
    Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB (if he slips)
    Everson Griffen, DE/OLB (if he slips)
    Brandon Spikes, ILB
    Eric Norwood, LB
    Corey Wootten, DE
    Jared Odrick, DE
    Arthur Jones, DE
    Terrance Cody, DT (if he slips)
    Kareem Jackson, CB
    Brandon Ghee, CB
     
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    the most likely possibility is he trades 2 of the 3 :(
    nice list though i find myself liking the Alabama players, i would love to draft guys like mike johnson and javier arenas on the team

    gresham is all dependent on what we do before the draft i can easily see watson being resigned or filling the TE spot in FA
     
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    furley Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Thanks.

    I think you can't assume who and who won't be there in the second round because some players rise and fall a number of times up to draft day. I believe Mayo was a player who'd improved his stock leading up to the draft.

    Yeah, Alabama and Texas have some intriguing players coming out in the draft.

    I believe that if Gresham is there for the Patriots in the first round, you've to select him. Because you do have Baker signed through next season and can afford to wait on Gresham. I don't think that Gresham will be like Buffalo selecting Willis McGahee in the twenties of the 2003 draft. Because Gresham will probably be healthy to play in 2010. Conversely, McGahee didn't play at all in 2003.
     
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    furley Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I'm beginning to think New England might want to consider selecting Johnson in the first round.



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    There is lot to be said for the drafting the BAG (best available guard) at 22 or even with a bit of a trade down.

    As of now, Johnson is considered a serious reach in the 20's.

     
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    I strongly disagree that there is a lot to be said for drafting the best available guard at 22. The last time a guard went at 22 or earlier was 2001 when Steve Hutchinson went 17th to the Seahawks. In 2006, Davin Joseph went 23rd to the Buccaneers. In a draft that seems to be considered strong by most experts, taking a guard in the first round seems like quite a reach. Guard is not a high priority position in the NFL and most scouts/gm's believe you can find a guard in the later rounds. If you're convinced Iupati is the next Hutchinson, then you can take him at 22-27, but that's quite a high standard to live up to.
     
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    I tend to agree with this. Iupati might be worth taking at 22, but I suspect there would be better values available.
     
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    YES (guys who can probably start very soon)

    Decker
    Shipley
    Norwood
    Kyle Wilson
    Hughes - probably won't slip
    Golden Tate (I may be upgrading him)
    Spikes - won't slip
    Graham - if he slips (or we don't take him at #22 anyway)
    Iupati
    Patrick Robinson
    Mike Johnson
    Matt Tennant


    MAYBE

    Ducasse - based on Senior Bowl reports, this guy's a project, not an instant starter
    Pouncey - I need a closer look
    Arenas - but we can probably do better
    Lane - currently a 3rd rounder, but may move up
    Pierre-Paul - need a closer look
    Best - very concerned about his injury history
    Sapp - not all that confident, personally
    Kindle - probably won't slip
    Griffen - probably won't slip
    Wooten - not confident
    Odrick - not confident in this one, either
    Arthur Jones - need a closer look
    Rolle - we'll see how he does with the Senior Bowl

    There will probably be another dozen guys who jump up into the second round by draft day, maybe half of whom would be useful on our roster.
     
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    furley Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I think New England's first round pick should be reserved for tight end, outside linebacker and defensive end. Maybe, an offensive lineman if you're that bold or not confident that "your guy" will be there to select in the second round. Conversely, from what I'm reading, I'm not really salivating over who could be available at inside linebacker and running back. So you could hold off on those two positions in the second round. Perhaps, be patient and wait until the fourth round. Man, Patriots need a third round pick.

    Other than an offensive lineman, on offense, I target a wide receiver.

    The most intriguing thing about Javier Arenas is his big play potential on special teams. New England sure would welcome that with Welker out indefinitely and the uncertainty with Tate. Kyle Wilson is likely another one who can offer you versatility playing on special teams too. Because Belichick seems to like defensive backs who offer versatility, selecting Butler and Chung last year. Both were known to play some to a lot on special teams in school.



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