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    Port Authority Beat Cop Earns $221,000

    Dozens of PAPD officers earn more than $200,000 in 2011, thanks to overtime.


    By Chris Hawley

    Friday, Dec 9, 2011 | Updated 4:03 PM EST


    Police at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey have racked up $41.4 million in overtime this year, including a rank-and-file patrolman at the George Washington Bridge who has made $221,000.

    Payroll figures and names released for the first time Friday by the Port Authority show 66 police officers have made more than $200,000 so far in 2011, thanks to overtime that in many cases has doubled their salaries.

    The Port Authority Police Benevolent Association, the union that represents most of the police, says high overtime numbers are the agency's own fault. President Paul Nunziato said the union has been asking the Port Authority for years to hire more officers.



    Port Authority Beat Cop Earns $221,000 | NBC New York
     
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    #11 Jersey

    More officers at a set salary or less officers making big bucks in overtime pay?
     
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    #18 Jersey

    More people working is always better for society in general and the economy. Getting more people working for half the money is better than adding more upper middle class citizens.

    Since they are public employees, the gov't should do what is best for NJ/NY's economy and it's citizens.
     
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    Well said. The extreme right wing types think that getting rid of policeman and firefighters will save money. It doesn't.
     
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    The problem with your statement is that it far too vague. There are times when it certainly does save money, and times when it doesn't. The devil is in the details.

    The problem with this is that once you hire more cops, the union will fight tooth and nail to make sure you can't get rid of them. So in most cases it's cheaper to pay these obscene OT bills, than it is to screen, hire, train, equip, pay, benefit, insure, etc. a new officer. It doesn't have to be that way, but it is. OT sucks to pay, but time and a half is cheaper than time + benefits + training + insuring + equiping + administering + fighting the union over laying off when you no longer need them. OT can be given today, and eliminated tomorrow. A full time, full salaried union employee can't be.

    I posted this to point out how absrud it is to pay any cop close to a quarter million dollars. How many hours does that amount to anyway? At what point do hours become an issue with performance? Cops shouldn't cost so much, that hiring more of them is cost prohibitive. How much is enough to be a fireman or police officer? This is where the need for unions with respect to government hires, kinda loses me.
     
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    Some cops and firemen run up an overtime tab to pump up their retirement pay which is based on the last couple of years of gross pay it is a scam that rips off the taxpayers. If their retirement pay were based on their base pay they would scream bloody murder...
     
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    What is your retirement and social security pay based on?
     
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    Probably on what the government takes from him, as well as what he pays out of his own pocket, into his own IRA. ;) At least that's how it is for me.
     
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    Wrong, wrong, wrong your retirement is based on your base pay, not OT pay..

    The attitude has been for years that OT is cheaper than hiring new folks, I do not agree, but believe it or not it is a cost saving measure..

    For these folks working all this time, means they have no family life, and usually wind up with poor health.. usually this OT hounds are the ones who want to make a lot in a short period, and it is a game for them.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    But you're self-employed, aren't you?

    I'm thinking, and I could be wrong, but 13 has often said that he's somewhere around 60 years old. That would, most likely, mean that he's been working for awhile at a job which had or still has a pension plan. It's only been fairly recently that companies have moved away from funded pensions.

    Most pension plans are based upon either the last few years of work or the highest paid 3 - 5 years of work. Usually those are the same things unless you've worked alot of OT and that OT is taken into consideration.

    I'm just wondering why he thinks police and firefighters should be any different.
     
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    My retirement is whatever I have saved myself. As to ss the same as everyone else, of course that isn't the topic.
     
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    Sorry for the assumption, in that case. It's just that virtually everyone I know who is in the same age range we are in worked, at some point in their life, for a company which had a retirement plan.

    I honestly thought that up until 10 or 15 years ago that just about every company offered some sort of pension plan in order to stay competitive in attracting employees.
     
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    That is not the case. Some of the Hi Tech start ups I worked for offered stock options. Some of those companies no longer exist.


    I know how transitory businesses can be so that is why I don't view corps as all powerful.


    Take a look at the Fortune 500 from say 1960 and note how many of those formally powerful corps no longer exist.
     
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    Funny, I'm less bothered by cops earning $200,000 than the wealthy collecting millions. Maybe that's because I respect hard work. But, perhaps if we raised taxes on the wealthy, it would be easier to hire more cops or pay their overtime. It's always so intriguing to me how the more conservative you are, the more you're likely to complain about highly paid working people than highly paid investors.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    I don't believe there are many white collor-type companies that have a pension plan anymore...sad as that is.

    When somone "invented" the 401k, corporations saw that as a means to phase-out pensions. Little by little, public corporations offer less and less in the form of benefits and ask more and more from their employees.

    In my business, we used to submit our expense receipts and accountants would enter them into the correct category. Now, we do all that ourselves on an automated system. We used to call an in-house travel agent to book flight, car rentals and hotels...now we do all that ourselves on an automated system.

    That is why the public corp. model is doomed. eventually, they'll run out ways to save more $$ to be more profitable.
     
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    Patters, we have to look at these as separate issues mainly because A has nothing to do with B. It all sounds nice, but your point is irrelevant to over-paying cops.

    How do you know a Port Authority cop works hard or is even in any danger? If they don't work their asses off, they don't deserve to make $200k. Even if they put in 80 hours/week, it doesn't mean they deserve to make $200k.

    Again, I'd prefer to see more people on the job make much less. As a taxpayer, I'd also prefer NOT to pay for the retirement of a cop who made $200k annually. Does a Port Authority cop deserve to have an $80k annual pension? NOPE!!

    Finally, these are PUBLIC employees paid for by taxpayers. So we have a right to complain....we don't have a right to complain about the salary of a privately employed person. If you are employed by a private company and I'm employed by the state of Massachusetts, you have a right to complain if you think I make too much. How much you make would be none of my business.
     
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    Have never heard where OT is factored into retirement.. could be wrong, but that is pretty much standard amongst municipal/state retirement systems.
     
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    Yup, efficiency is not effectiveness.
     
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    You just hate successful people who make the economy grow. You are a slave to left wing class theory. Need to move beyond the old marxism, it makes as much sense as the Hindu caste system.
     
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    I'm saying that the very point of this thread is about petty jealousies, rather than addressing something more fundamental such as the dramatic inequities that current exist.

    If you want to address job pay inequity, then why only target cops and the like? How about people get get lucky because of stock options or happen to work for companies that pay really well? How about people who win the lottery or at a casino? Is this class war on your part?

    Now that we know it's possible for a cop to make $200K, we should ask what's going on and make some changes, but in the scheme of things a bunch of cops making over $200K is not the problem. Maybe New York could save $10 million/year if it tightened up, but as part of a $65 billion/year budget, it's a pittance. Why do conservatives focus so heavily on the overpaid schmo. There aren't that many of them.

    I agree you have the right to complain. In fact that's what this forum is all about! And, the publicity surrounding this issue is a good thing. I think that if they really have that much need for overtime, the city should do a better job distributing it. For one thing, people become less effective if they work too much. And the next time the city negotiates with the police union, they should take a more serious look at those out of kilter salaries, which aren't good for the city or the union.
     
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