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How do you feel regarding tomasse's role in the Walsh story?

Poll closed May 20, 2008.
  1. He was just doing his job & I'l forgive him

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    1.0%
  2. He gave in to tremendous pressure in an overly-competitive environment - I'll forgive him

    4 vote(s)
    3.8%
  3. He was irresponsible on the Walsh story - I don't know if I'll forgive him

    12 vote(s)
    11.5%
  4. He was purposefully negligent and did not care - I'll never forgive him

    29 vote(s)
    27.9%
  5. He sold his soul for personal gain & apologized due to fan reaction - He can burn in hell

    58 vote(s)
    55.8%
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  1. PatriotsReign

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    (Mods please delete the previous "poll" thread I posted)

    I figured this might be the best way to combat any effort to portray Tomasse as a victim. Let's get an anonymous opinion of Tomasse's actions relative to his role in bringing the Walsh (non)story to print.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    MODS; This is the thread I want to KEEP.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    I didn't understand the descriptions attached to the levels of forgiveness (or lack thereof). That is, I don't know what purposely negligent means, but then, I'm not a lawyer.

    I won't forgive him, not ever. OTOH, burning in hell is pretty severe punishment, so I hear.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    As I said in the other thread, "He isn't a victim. But he isn't a evil villain either. He is a guy who made a mistake.

    Let summarize the mistake. Assuming that a guy who job is to videotape games was at an opposing teams practice, then he must have been there to tape it."

    On the issue of forgiving him. I neither forgive nor not forgive him. He didn't do anything to ME. He did not defame me.

    Kraft, BB, and the 2001 Patriot players must decide if they forgive him or not. That is there call, not mine.

    (Side note: If you want to read a great book on Forgiveness, read "The Sunflower" by Simon Wiesenthal. I take the Jewish stance on forgiveness, that only the one harmed can forgive, it is not up to others. Likewise I can not forgive or not the Catholic priest who molested children. Only those molested can forgive or not forgive. The Christian view is you can forgive someone who did not harm you, makes no sense to me.)

    For those of us who were not actually employed by the New England Patriots, the question is not of forgiveness but of trust. Can we trust the accuracy of Mr. Tomasse's reporting going forward?

    Quite frankly I never thought the reporting in the Herald was that good before this, preferring the NYT or BG for better news. The only reason I would ever read the Herald is if I wanted to read something and the other papers were sold out, or if I was taking mass transit, because it is easier to read. Nothing that has happened as changed by view of the relatively poor reporting of the Herald.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    I voted for the last one, but of course, he was a victim - of his own delusions of granduer. Also, since his imagination was his "source" he was a victim of that as well. It is incredibile to me that this guy has not been fired or at least reassigned.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Apparently neither is the OP. The legal term would be reckless, "conscious disregard of a known danger."
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    thanks for the explanation... You're a lawyer I presume?
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    not yet, but in the process.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    I agree that Tomase didn't act in malice. He acted ambitiously, overly ambitiously. He wanted to leave his mark on the sports world. He gambled that this story would thrust him into the national spotlight. Unfortunately for him, it did.

    Tomase is guilty of breaking the journalistic code of reporting a rumor as fact and rushing a story to print to be first, but not neccessarily right. Those are both inexcusable offenses.

    I still believe that although Tomase deserves to be criticized, there are still more media organizations that deserve more of the Pats fans ire. There are people in the media who are literally out to get the Patriots. A large number of them are at ESPN and the New York Times. Remember if it wasn't for the Times, Tomase would have never written his story.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Then I assume you're working hard...good luck in your pursuit.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    I was going to post this on another thread.
    Ten years ago or so he and the editor most likely would have been fired or suspended for a long time. But now if you keep denying any wrong doing,play the victim,and basically just hang on long enough things blow over and you get to keep your job. IMO
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Where is the option: He made it up, hoping he was right, and I think he should resign?
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Maybe in another year, or after another Super Bowl, the anger might dim a bit so-as to change my selection to: He was irresponsible on the Walsh story - I don't know if I'll forgive him.

    But for now, I'm still so pissed at him that I went with: Sold his soul.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Like I said in another "victim" thread:
    The only thing TomAASe is a victim of is a large dose of Big Mac's with extra cheese, donuts, and no exercise. Which are all in his control. Also in his control was running a story on a hunch.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Sold his soul, for fame, and got fame, only the wrong kind.......

    I have no sorrow for this individual, his actions were of his own choosing, and his consequences are his own as well.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    I forgive him and wish him well covering High School Sports for the Des Moines Register.
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    Re: Poll: Tomasse a Victim?

    Nice random selection of a "small market" newspaper...where did that come from?:confused:
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    I say purposefully negligent myself. Its too convient that he had this story published right before the Super Bowl. Now that he opened the Pandora's Box that was nearly locked up I don't forgive him at all.
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    Up until Tomase's "explanation" I did not figure that we could know how much responsibility he had versus the possibility that he was 'assigned' to the story.

    From his "explanation", if he's telling the truth, he had an enormous amount of responsibility in the collecting of 'source' information and putting the story together. To say the least, it turned out to be a flamingly irresponsible exercise of journalism - acutally I think it's fair to say you can't call this article 'jounalism'. It should more properly be labelled as tabloid sensationalism.

    The impact of his story will never leave the Patriots image.

    Therefore, it seems fair that the stigma of his irresponsibility should never be allowed to leave him.
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    My only question is....is Tomase that Jared kid from the Subway commercial pre weight loss? Or the androgynous Pat from that Saturday Night Live sketch?
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