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    As you can tell by the title it is a very open thread.



    I am a Conservative man in many respects of the word conservatism. I however voted for Obama in the past election... and it was not because of his rhetoric and promise of change. I do not believe Obama has been a premeir presidential occupant thus far, but I am not going to knock him for it and I will tell you why.




    1). Our current president inherited an immensely non gregarious situation that had already sucked b/c of the Bush administration. Bush screwed our country up beyond believe and we are still trying to recover from financial ruin he put us into w/ the "useless" wars (I like to call). Iraq was a huge waste of resources and time.

    2). The reason I voted for Obama was b/c I did not want the administration of this country to follow the same old road that Bush led us down. He is the devil:mad:.


    3). I do not know who I will vote forin the next presidential election.....
    I am merely defending Obama on the premise that he had inherited a **** situation.


    4). We cannot expect our tattered economy to get better in merely a few years. Bush's years represented a span of eight.:(


    5). I still think the future looks uneventful, economically speaking. It will really take at least a decade to undue the wrongs committed by and under GW.:mad::mad::mad:
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    Re: Political Platforms, and idealogies: The Good, the bad and the ugly of the Obama

    Such as?

    :confused2:
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    Re: Political Platforms, and idealogies: The Good, the bad and the ugly of the Obama

    You can't despise the Bush administration without despising what Obama has done; aside from the passing of socialist policies, spending has continued to increase, bailouts continuted and the wars are still going on. If you didn't like Bush, Obama is like all the bad parts of Bush on steriods.
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    The economic $#!T didnt hit he fan until very late in the election process. McCain's economic advisor was Phil FRICKIN Gramm! One of the architects of deregulation. McCain himself said during the campaign that he didnt understand economics, and about two weeks later was halting his campaign to fly to washington to fix it.

    Not many people saw the economic crisis happening, save a few dozen investors. The toxic mortgage money had been sliced 7 ways to Sunday by the time the bottom fell out. NOt many people have a good enough memory to understand that it was BUSH who signed the bailout (Obama and McCain voted for it). It was BUSH who decided that the best way to pay for 2 wars was with DISCRESSIONARY spending (aka not on the books) and become the first American President to both lower taxes during warS, and encourage the country to sacrafice NOTHING for the war effort.

    People who b!tch about spending, and socialism that didnt speak out while Bush was expanding government, faking evidence to invade soverign nations, losing trillions on the national credit card, and torturing captives, really need to check themselves.

    I feel bad for Obama to some extent. The results we see from his presidency to this point are more a case of avoidance of a potential future we have yet to see.

    Make no mistake about any misgivings, the current crisis is the direct result of a number of poor economic and international policies. Most of which have been spearheaded by those in and around the "Project for the New American Century", and those who supported "Supply Side Economics" here at home.

    They were 100% wrong. Their little experiment has resulted in the economic freefall of this nation once prided by its workforce, ingenuity, spirit and middle class. They screwed the American worker, they screwed our international image, and they have screwed our future.



    I get to read how you flag pin wearing, don't tread on me, BS aholes now want your country back. When I hear that, all I can imagine is that they believe that the Nation has been taken over by some idealist, who is secretly bent on destroying what the founders of this country wanted. Y'all are too stupid to see that BUSH was that very person, you sat there and said NOTHING while his policies of lies, to promote wealth for his friends, were the catylist in everything you now complain about.


    You made your bed, now you are complaining about your craftsmanship. Nobody cares.
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    Iraq for 1 was a huge blunder. We put so much $$$ into that war and we accomplished relatively nothing. Wars cost $$$ and through out that span we racked up many trillions in debt:eek:


    Iraq was never a problem... Hussein did not have WMD's and his ppl were under control and living in fear.


    imo.... they are not our problem.

    At least the hundreds of trillions of dollars we spent in that **** hole freed us some Iraqi civilians.:rolleyes:


    Domestic issues before getting involved internationally. (That is how i Roll )
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    I am very conservative...... but also a realist.


    Pro Death penalty

    For military funding, but not in favor of useless wars. cough cough Iraq


    Pro- cracking down on illegal immigration




    ask me another issue.:D
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    100's of trillions? Total spending in Iraq is $751 billion dollars (2003-2010).

    I am not sure what the connection between Iraq and the subprime crisis is.
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    OT:

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    and who?
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    comparing Obama with Bush and blaming the economy on Bush.

    Knowing what we know that would be a useless discussion.

    The real problem is the same problem it has been and that is a Congress that does not represent the people. Bush was allowed to do what he did because Congress approved it - war funding loaded with pork. Obama continues us down the war road but also the printing press road ... because congress allows it. the stimulus bill was loaded with pork ... pork - pork - pork the similarity between Bush and Obama was that they both ignore the pork for the sake of their desires and pleasing their political base.
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    Dude is killing it in my Madden Franchise. Had like 3 sacks against the Ravens. Its a sign.
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    Quite simply..... we spent boat loads of $$$$ on a situation that we did not have loads of $$$ to use. Our govt. spent beyond its meansin Iraq.




    Ok.... we bought x....... with $.

    but in buying x's we went beyond our means and we borrowed $ and used $'s that we did not have at the moment.


    think about it....... kinda similar to the mortgage crisis? I see a parallel.:eek:
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    Gotta give it up for this and shame for not including congress in my little rant.

    A friend of mine who is just beginning to open up about his politics asked me the other day what I think about Obama, and the job he is doing.

    My response started out saying that thus far, I was okay with what he was doing, but by the end of it, it really boiled down to what congress is or isn't doing. The President really can't enact change as much as he can persuade it. His main power is that of the Veto, and with the military. Too often we associate the decisions, victories and standoffs with the president, but in reality it is our representatives that are the ones we should be looking at.

    As far as Bush and Obama goes....both has a majority, but only BUsh pushed forth his extreme agenda. War, Tax Cuts, Outsourcing. Obama for some reason has chosen a middle road philosophy, and I don't understand it. It angers the right (anything he does will) and also angers his base (Something Bush managed NOT to do)
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    I was not a fan of Bush's "drunken sailor" budgets. How do you feel about the current administration borrowing even more ($1.8 trillion last year and $1.5 trillion this year)?
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    There is some serious beef up front now with Wilfork, G. Warren, Brace and the fifth Brandon. Was the Madden performance a function of high ratings in a particular area (his overall rating is only 62)? Or does the fact that Wilfork is a 95 mean that he opens things up for the others?

    Interesting that the other players with a rating of 95 are Brady, Moss and (gulp) Mankins.
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    that aint good....:(



    at this rate our $$$ will be like "monopoly money":eek:
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    I used to think the gold bugs were a bit nutty, now I worry about needing something like this to pay for my beer at Gillette:

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    BINGO!!! We have a winner!

    Our economy crashed because our gov't, with the cooperation of the banking/financial industry ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED our economy. When you artificially inflate something, it will either blow up or shrink back down to it's natural size.

    But now we have our gov't trying to FIX our economy by ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING it!! It makes no sense to the average person or even the most intelligent among us.

    It's like believing that running up your credit cards will somehow get you out of debt!
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    It is great to see I am not alone in my logic.:)


    realists represent!:D
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    Can you translate that into English? I know the PSAT exam is this coming Saturday but if you're going to use those type of words, at least make sure they make sense. Gregarious means sociable and outgoing....which makes no sense in your context.


    As for spending beyond our means, there is plenty of blame to go around, Yes W shares some blame but also a Democratic Congress for the last 4 years and the current occupant of the White House whose budgets are trillion plus in debt annually.
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    no it does not mean only that....... did you also know it means friendly.....


    and how I used it was correct.


    Fail:bricks:


    here you go cheach;)


    Main Entry: gregarious
    Part of Speech: adjective
    Definition: friendly
    Synonyms: affable, clubby, companionable, convivial, cordial, fun, outgoing, sociable, social
    Antonyms: cold, cool, introverted, unfriendly, unhospitable, unsociable



    when you try to correct somebody and look like an ass it.... is kind of funny:)
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    It may be used correctly, but it wasn't a common or even a good choice of adjetives to describe the situation Obama inherited.

    For example, no one in business would say, "Well Steve, this isn't a gregarious situation for you to be in". And although it may be "correct", I've never heard or read anyone using that description in that context ever...or at least until now.

    But the reasoning you expressed is good.

    Sometimes simple is better. Just my opinion though....
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    I realized.... that was not the best word I could have used. The guy told me it does not work..... but it does. I should have used a better word.:)
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    I doesn't make you a bad guy....I use words I shouldn't all the time!:D
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    The ass is when you try to use words that don't fit to sound important. Using the definition of non-gregarious, tell me how the situation inherited was non-social or solitary.
    nongregarious

    2 definitions found nongregarious - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 : nongregarious \nongregarious\ adj. Not growing or living in groups or colonies; -- of plants and animals. Syn: nonsocial, solitary.
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    The cost for Iraq may be $751 billion, but the "legacy costs" for all of those who fought and the wounded warriors is estimated to be 1.3 trillion... that equals trillions...
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    Main Entry: gregarious
    Part of Speech: adjective
    Definition: friendly
    Synonyms: affable, clubby, companionable, convivial, cordial, fun, outgoing, sociable, social
    Antonyms: cold, cool, introverted, unfriendly, unhospitable, unsociable
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    Obama Administration
    The Good:
    He is black
    He won the NPP
    They um, pulled out of Iraq? Sorta kinda
    The Bad:
    He has continued to borrow and spend at increasing rates
    He did nothing to earn the NPP
    They passed Obamacare
    The Ugly:
    He has been more divisive than Bush
    He has his fingers far too deep in the wars
    They essentially have ****-blocked any chance at success in Afghanistan

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