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    Interesting comments by Polian, seems like he is the BB camp when it comes to high picks not being worth the $$$$.

    By the way, did he have a lobotomy or is he currently posessed? He has actually made a few statements that make sense lately.

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d806dd335&template=with-video&confirm=true

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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    It is a bit silly to pay a player 50 million dollars when they have played a down in the nfl.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    yeah i think the whole situation stinks.

    The top pick should get 5 mil a year tops
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    wow. he actually said something i agree with. i still hate him though:D

    it does kinda concern me that we pick so high this year, and risk having someone we need, holdout of t.c., but thats life in the nfl. b.b.'s got it covered.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I agree with Bill Polian.

    I never would have expected to type those words.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I think that is why there has been a trend of taking lineman higher in the draft
    both OL and DL they are easier to project than say a QB. If a lineman fails you can get by with a fill in, your QB fails you are out lots of money and screwd for a couple years at the most important spot on you roster. That is why Quinn dropped and Ryan may do the same. When you screw up a QB pick everyone knows, when you screw up a lineman pick (robertson jets) everyone says dwyane who?
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I agree with him..the top part of the first round is ridiculous..way way too much money for players who havent seen an NFL field..I think it needs to be smoothed down some..maybe even slotted from year to year based on some formula. Way too much money for unproven talent sometimes makes those high picks less value.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Isn't it funny he came to this revelation during a year we'd probably like to trade down with our high pick?
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I guess, but I really don't think everything that Polian says or does is made with an eye to screwing the Patriots. Maybe only 50% of it?

    Anyways, if they want to draft a corner and not Gholston, I'm firmly in favor of the Pats trading down, because at least one of those top 3 guys should still be available around 15 or so.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    The other 50% involves influencing rules against the rest of the league..:D

    Come on, we're talking Bill Polian here. I have to admire the guy that he's always looking for an edge. Everything he says or does is intended to influence rules or refs.

    Why worry about the draft in a year his team is hardly involved? I'm sure he wouldn't just make a splash to avoid us getting two cornerbacks for the price of one.:rolleyes:
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Polian irks us all and seems like a pretty crappy human being, but he obviously knows how to manage a team brilliantly.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Agreed. I have never said he wasn'y a yop-flihjt manager. It's his attitude, his personality that gives me the creeps.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Yeah, me too.

    But he makes sense.

    The high cost of a top ten pick is a real downer. I hadn't thought of hte counterproductive effect on a bad team, but the CHargers were a long time recovering from Ryan Leaf, and bad luck/choices certainly hampered the Bengals for years.

    I also agree with the slotting of money by position. In the draft, players are paid based on position, so that a top TE or FB or PK will make the same as a QB or DE. In a free market (free agency) obviously a top QB will make more than a top S.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Yeah, I think he holds the all-time record for having the most teams lose a superbowl.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I think it was just one team. 4 times!

    Still, his teams are always very competitive, which is rare.

    But please don't make me defend him.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Get out...:rolleyes:

    If he's that worried about what agents are doing to ruin the draft, why not just hit speed dial and ask his man Tom Condon WTF he's doing that??? Every time Polian extends or re-signs a significant player in his scheme, he elevates the league wide salary landscape exponentially. He doesn't just make his best players the highest paid at their position, he does it by tens of millions and reeks havoc with every other poor teams established salary structure.

    When he signed Manning he set a new benchmark for bonus money...by $20M!!!! When he signed Freeney he upped the ante for DL by $3M per and over $10M in guaranteed money.

    I'm sure on some level Bill cares about the league. But when push comes to shove (no pun intended...) he cares about the Colts. If they somehow acquired a top ten pick this season, he would have given a much different, more subdued spin. But since they have no pick in the top 60 let alone top ten, he is all too willing to highlight the potential foibles of trading up.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Wasn't he the guy who picked Manning at... #1????

    He could have just traded the pick for a couple of second rounders...:rolleyes:
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I think you are probably right about Polian doing this only for the Colt's benefit....

    Think about it.... Peyton retires in around 5 years or so, after that the Colts will blow... so by then Polian through his whining will get his way and higher draft picks will be paid less money and the Colts will be able to draft a high player and pay him a lot less in % of cap.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I'm sure these comments will endear him to agents all over the land....
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Don't play into Polian's smoke and mirrors. He is probably working a way for the Colts to get the #1 draft pick each year. When he is making too much sense...he must be up to something.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    i agree on the narrow point, but, in this case, he is also protecting the Colts' turf by arguing that what is already a highly regulated market for talent should be subject to further constraints. the more caps, limits, whatever are placed on salaries, the more likely it will be that small market teams like Indiannapolis can continue to get rich.

    i know that folks out here like to wax poetic over the benefits of parity, but ultimately any system that constrains the free movement of goods (in this case, talent) for money will give rise to more and more anomolies like the land grab by top draft picks for maximum dollars, in defiance of common sense. in this case, the top (perceived!) talent tries to get as much guaranteed money as possible at the beginning of their careers because they know they are entering a highly regulated system wherein this might be their best opportunity for a big payday, especially if they turn out to be only "good," rather than "franchise" or "great" players, as is the case with the vast majority. that is rational behavior on the seller's part.

    if the system were less regulated, you woudn't see these ridiculous pay days before a down has been played. players would know that the league would be able to assess their talent over a couple of years and then give them the money they deserve, without having to plan for a cap four and five years in advance. you would see all but franchise quality players willing to accept two year contracts (instead of five year deals) at the outset at less money than today because they would know that a free market would reassess their value rationally in 24 months and that there would be plenty of teams that are able to pay them what they are worth at that time without cap constraints. conversely, this would limit the damage done by unproven, marginal players who manage to get picked in the first round.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Polian is right on with his statement. I believe that Jamarcus Russell will be the ultimate flop for the money de Raayders spent on him. Rookies should be slotted.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    So let me get this straight....Polian just got around to reading the Massey and Thaler report that's been around for nearly a decade, and if not, did he just get around to reading the abbreviated, summary article called the "Loser's Curse" that appeared in the Atlantic Monthly a year and a half ago?
    :rolleyes:
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I'd be curious to see a comparison of the top 5 NFL picks and the proven NFL starters whose salaries match.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I agree with him.

    And gee whiz, some of you are the most paranoid people I've ever seen. I'm sure Polian obsesses day and night what he could say to affect the Patriots. Get real.

    Everyone knows this past offseason was one of the ones where people really started to say that there should be some sort of cap on rookie salaries. But when Polian mentions it, he's got an agenda to try and prevent the Patriots from trading down!

    Keep going, this is amusing. I still don't know who would want to trade up with the Pats after last year's fiasco with the 49ers.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    I hadn't thought that Wild Bill had an angle. Even when he is telling the truth he is screwing us! :D
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Regardless of Polian's agenda, he does have a very valid point. With the pay the top picks get, one could make the argument that a bad team is better off with a lower pick, and then having that extra money available for free agents. Over looked in this is the fact that there are always a few rookies that hold out so long that the team gets nothing at all out of them in the first year, making the rebuilding process last even longer.

    I agree with some of the others that an NBA-style slotting would be an improvement. To take it a step further, how about taking that money that would then be saved in lower rookie contracts and putting it in to a fund to help out disabled former NFL players? If either the owners or the player's association suggested this, the other side would almost have to accept the proposal in order to avoid being crucified by the media as selfish greedy jerks.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Finally Bill Polian is doing something right. The draft needs to be changed, like right now. This will alow teams to actually feel good about having a top pick like the NBA.
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    Your kidding, right? Where you been the last few years?
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    Re: Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

    My point is, it looks (to me) that a trade down would be beneficial for the Pats. It's very hard to do because you need a partner with the right picks/players and the will to move up.

    Would I be surprised if Polian decided to sow the seeds of doubt about trading up? Not at all.

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