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Please use Ochocinco over Edelman in the offense

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  1. Ice_Ice_Brady

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    I don't care if Ochocinco runs the wrong routes. Don't throw him the ball. Just have him be a decoy, but don't let Edelman out there. Every time the ball is thrown to Edelman, it's bad news. It seems like 50% of the time, it's either intercepted or very close to being intercepted.

    I can understand using Edelman on a running play or very short screen pass, but this guy is not a receiver. And worse, for some reason Brady mistakenly trusts him. I don't have the breakdown, but I'm guessing that when Brady targets Edelman, his passer rating must be close to 20.

    Yesterday, Brady throws the ball to Edelman against double coverage, including their best corner! Why!!! The fact that he even drew double coverage with two solid defenders was the victory on that play.

    Just run Ochocinco out there on deep plays over the top and use him as a decoy. Obviously Tom doesn't trust him, but we can plainly see that Chad is a better option over Edelman. Chad is a wide receiver. If he can't play the position, he should have been cut long ago. We badly need a veteran presence at that third WR position, even if he can only expect 1-2 targets a game. Chad could also be effective on screen passes.

    You guys can flame me all you want about claiming to understand the offense better than Brady/BB. I realize I don't, but I used to want Maroney replaced by BJGE and thought Watson was a brick holding back the offense. I think sometimes the guys develop friendships; Edelman is probably better in practice than he is in the games.
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    I couldn't agree more.
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    Ochocinco was wide open most of the game last time the Patriots played the Giants, Brady missed him in the endzone and then over threw him on a number of occasions later in the game.

    He showed in that game he can beat the Giants man to man defense they will use, stick him in the game and just have him run a go or deep post all game long even if he doesn't get open he's dragging at least 1 DB down field with him :p
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    Ocho isn't going to decoy anyone. His career is over because he can't play anymore. Julian Edelman is 10 times more valuable to this team than Ocho is. Plus, he made a great catch yesterday on a 3rd an 9 to keep a drive alive.
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    I believe that Ocho will be active for the SB and will be used. I don't believe it has anything to do with Edel's effectiveness, or lack thereof, as a receive, though. As someone already pointed out in this very thread, Ocho was open quite a few times against the Giants in the previous meeting. I'm sure the coaching staff will look at that and implement a few plays specifically designed for him. I do not believe the Giants will game plan at all for that.

    I will also take it a step further and say that they'll use him because he's just simply more athletic at this point than Deion. I love Branch to no end, but the guy just doesn't have it consistently anymore. What we've seen is that he struggles any time the opposing team employs press coverage for most of the game. I'm willing to bet everything that the Giants will and, if they do, they'll make Branch a non-factor like he was yesterday and even during the season when teams challenged our receivers at the LOS.
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    I say leave Ocho inactive.

    And I am fine with having Edelman sitting on the bench when the offense is on the field as I am being coming more and more convinced he is a better DB than WR. But JE has a role on this team, Ocho is a waste of a roster space.
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    Who would you deactivate? Faulk, or would that bring back memories of deactivating Troy Brown for SB 42?
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    WOW.. Of all the things to complain about, you are complain about Brady throwing to Edelman??? Heck and your complaint has really no bearing on Edelman's play, but on Brady's.
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    I don't really see the issue here. The interception happened because the officials allowed the Ravens to get away with a blatant penalty on the play.

    Note that initial contact isn't even made until 5 yards downfield. Then, note that contact is made again further downfield, making it clearly beyond 5 yards.

    It was a clear case of illegal contact/pass interference.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dwNSoznDA
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    Think before you post. If Edelperson is drawing double coverage, that idiocy by the opposing D is a huge opportunity for the QB, what's-his-nme, to exploit. Not by throwing to Edes in that instance but to that "favorite" the open receiver. Back to what made the Pats great.
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    I like Edelman. He seems to work hard, has some dirty moves when he's carrying the ball and is willing to play a lot of different roles. There is definite value to having him on the roster. But just like the OP, I find myself cringing whenever the ball is thrown his way.

    It would be huge if Ocho can find a way to make an impact in the SB. I doubt the Giants are going to be blitzing much and if the last couple games against them are any indication, that certainly won't prevent them from getting pressure. We're gonna need our WRs to win some one on one battles in single coverage. Seemed like they struggled doing the same thing against Baltimore. Ocho even catching 2 balls 20-25 yards down the field would do A LOT to help open up their defense.
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    I think it would be poetic justice in a sense if the big acquisition who has done nothing all year has the best game of his season on the biggest day of the season. What if Chad shows up and has a monster game? That would be a bonus for this offense.
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    Agreed, but we all keep thinking that, hence the weekly "Is this the week Chad breaks out?" threads.

    If 18 games have come and gone without that breakout game, chances are it's just not coming.
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    chad was open a lot last time we played the giants... just sayin.. I feel the same way with eldeman , every time Tom goes his way its scares me
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    I hear you. I was merely throwing that out there because you never really know. I'm hoping he does something to take some pressure off of the other guys. Brady is going to face the heat from the Giants all game long, and he will need as many guys to get open as he can get. Ocho showing up for this game would be HUGE for the offense.
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    Please use Ocho over Mathew Slatter.
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    What is it that makes fans think that a receiver who hasn't caught very much this season and was a healthy scratch for the Ravens will be doing much of anything in the S.B.? When do we stop waiting for Ocho to break out? There is one more game to play and it is probably not going to be his breakout game. I've been wating and waiting and waiting. I like the guy but this is not happening. Not now, that's a fantasy.
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    I'm not defending the premise, because I didn't see Edelman as an issue. However, I will note that Johnson had as many catches yesterday as Slater and Underwood combined.
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    Chad will score a TD in the SB!!!!

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    No question. But of course, Edelman & Slater are locks for the gameday 45 even if they don't play a snap on offense. So it comes down to Johnson vs Underwood for the final WR slot -- or stealing another slot from the defense.
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    I think it's time for the Patriots to make the move that's been there all season.

    Patriots sign Junior Seau and Randy Moss

    Patriots line up 3WR/2TE

    Moss
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    Seau subs in for Spikes on passing downs and serves as an ILB blitzer.



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    Would prefer Ridley be active and Faulk inactive for this game. Did Faulk even play vs Ravens?

    Ocho had just come back from attending his father's funeral so BB may have thought his mind wouldn't be in the game thus inactivating him.

    Add Underwood to inactives for this game and activate Ocho.....

    Just MHO ;)
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    Ochostinko and Edelman each had 0 receptions for 0 yards on November 6, 2011 against the NY football Giants at Gillette.

    How about we bench them both?
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    I TOTALLY forgot about his father's passing. It makes a little more sense that he was deactivated now. I now fully expect that he'll be on the active roster for the SB.
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    In what way?

    Matt Cassel being a better pro QB than Leinart or Palmer is poetic justice.

    Danny Woodhead having a big game against the Jets is poetic justice.

    Had the Drew Bledsoe led the Bills to the SB in 2002 after sweeping the NEP twice in the regular season and then for a third time in the playoffs...that would have been poetic justice.

    Having someone with great natural talents waste them because he is too busy twittering all day to learn the playbook finally have a decent game because he finnally got around to reading the playbook is not poetic justice.
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    Ocho playing for his dad, the rest of the team playing for MHK...
    We really, really need to get this done.
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    We all knew one of these was coming. We just knew it. We did not know where it would come from, but we just knew it was coming. Coming from you is the biggest surprise. It's sort of like finding out who had the first case of VD that swept through the barracks.
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    I agree with the OP simply because Ocho has better speed and is a longer/taller receiver.

    Edelman is best used on short in's and out's, the intermediate seem, or in front or behind the zone-- like most if not all of our receivers.

    Look, what I've noticed is that Chad gets open. It may be that he's 3rd or 4th in the progression, or that Brady doesn't trust him to be in the right spot, But he's open most of the time...Usually settled in a zone or flying down the sideline with his hand up because the safety has worked towards Hernandez GronK or Welker...HE GETS OPEN...

    Even in the beginning of the year when Ocho was actually targeted in the playcall, he was open most of the time.. Sure he's had a few drops and I'm sure his timing wasn't where Brady wanted it but it wasn't due to lack of ability.

    With Gronk likely playing at 75% at the SB, we need a contribution on the outside to keep pace with NY...Something...Whether it's Ocho or Underwood. Deion is only effective on a free release against man and NY likes to play off and press, but will surely press plenty against Branch and Welker.

    I don't want to get ahead of myself, very thankful to be in the SB...Extremely thankful... but I guarantee we make a play for Dwayne Bowe, Reggie Wayne, Marques Colston, or Brandon LLoyd next year... We desperately need a perimeter receiver who can work the sideline and occasionaly stretch the field.

    Maybe a full offseason will give Ocho that ability to develop rapport with Brady and McDaniels, I don't know, but it would be good to see him catch a few balls on February 5th, I really think it can make a difference if we can find a way to get him involved.

    6 million dollars...Just make 5 catches in the Super Bowl and It's worth it.
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