"Please explain how the Pats, Steelers, and Ravens have "more talent" and where"

[Deus Irae]

Re: Let's take the Ray Ray Challenge

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I think you guys feel that there is a bias towards New England and thus it means their stats are totally useless...

Here are just a few threads/posts about PFF....

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/316661-profootballfocus-rankings-patriots.html

PFF used to have a page admitting to a 20% error rate in their analysis. That's what the site was willing to admit to, which is before anyone even countered there claim (the error rate was certainly much higher than that, just as the stat error rate was higher than the 2% the site was claiming). If a stats/formula site is a frequent purveyor of false information, why would you be passing along info from that site without at least having a major disclaimer?

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/764404-profootballfocus-top-101-2010-a-page2.html#post2567552

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/764404-profootballfocus-top-101-2010-a.html

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/347785-patriots-without-pioli.html#post1848599

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/352954-troy-browns-surprise-cut-pick-laurence-maroney-page3.html#post1866115

We've seen the problems with PFF for years, and we don't only note them when it seems to be anti-Patriots.

 

[BSR]

Re: Let's take the Ray Ray Challenge

Thats passes not pass plays. By pass plays I mean a dropback. What I did was collect the stats for each player under what was considered pressure and non pressure. Remember that on a pass play there are a few options- passing the ball, running with the ball, getting sacked. Those last two numbers are not counted in PFRs pass attempts. When you look at the numbers there is a clear change from pressure. Run attempts go way up. Completion Percentage goes way down. Interceptions go up.

The stats are from PFF and for whatever faults one may think they have with their analysis the stats themselves are considered pretty accurate. My analysis is 100% independent of PFFs. Certainly for these types of plays its pretty easy from any TV broadcast to get the QB stats correct.

Ok, that would seem to make sense for Slausson. But that doesn't quite explain Mankins. Even with two games lost at the end of the year he should have about 30 more pass plays then what they list unless there were some other parts of games he missed. Still seems off. Like the others, I just don't trust PFF's stats and this one does seem fairly dubious. That seems like an awful lot of pressures.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Re: Let's take the Ray Ray Challenge

I think you guys feel that there is a bias towards New England and thus it means their stats are totally useless. I would simply ask what better source is there outside of getting information from a team themselves? Neither FO nor PFF are football people. They are numbers people. FO used to grade, and maybe they still do, based off the situational box scores. The baselines are all subjective as are their rankings of WR1, WR2 etc... Doesnt mean its not worth anything. Id imagine you dont subscribe to their stats database but if you do go inside their stats database and look at the numbers for players other than the Patriots and say what is a glaring mistake with those stats. Not their plus/minus grades their actual stats.

Your cap work is great, you should probably focus on that.