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  1. Rob0729

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    Interesting note on Vilma being pulled in the Cincy game. Mangini said Vilma was struggling with some injuries and that is why he was pulled. Vilma says it wasn't injuries and it was a coaching decision and seemed to be upset about it.

    He was probably taken out because Vilma is too small to be an ILB for a 3-4 especially in the Belichick defense and Mangini is too stubborn or not smart enough to switch to the 4-3. In the Belichick 3-4, size does matter.

    Here are few gems from Vilma from NY Newsday:

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spvilma245429973oct24,0,3691968.story

    On a side note, Mangini just announced he is sticking with Pennington. I am sure that will go over well with the fans. They are turning on him worse than he turned on Belichick.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Tell me there are not a bunch of people getting ready to blow.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    This disaster unfolding before our eyes just to the south of us is really really fun to watch. The yanks dealt them a blow by folding under pressure and the jets simply stink to high heaven.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    I've always said that Jets' fans were revolting.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    i still dont understand why he isnt switching to a 4-3. If you dont have the players for the 3-4...why play it?? What are you trying to prove? "If BB can do it so can i?"
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Maybe BB never taught widdle Ewic how to run a 4-3?
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Yeah, I think this is where Mangini's inexperience really is killing him. He has only coached in the Pats defense for a short time and never has had exposure to any other defense.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Too bad. I can't think anyone I would rather see get his commupance than that scheming, treasonous, backstabbing little fraud.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Vilma is suited so much better for a 4-3 look for the jets to trade him this year for about a second or third round draft pick or maybe for a offensive lineman.
    God knows they could use one of those.
    But theres no team in the nfl I hate more than the Jets and this is just beautiful.
    How much would you love to see Mangini get the boot and Marty schott getting the job as the jets hc.
    I think their fans would cry.
    Cause as fun as it is to see em lose to badly.
    I'd rather see them just coming up a little too short that's more painful to stand.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    It really has nothing to do with 3-4 vs. 4-3. It has to do with being a 1-gap defense vs. a 2-gap defense. Even when the Pats run a 4-3, they still 2-gap. So do the Jets. That is the technique the Pats and BB believe in.

    Vilma is more of a 1-gap type linebacker, better suited for a Chicago or Tampa or Indy type system. Switching to a 4-3 would do nothing as the Jets would still 2-gap.

    The Jets have several players better suited to a 1-gap system left over from the Herm Edwards era (he is a 1-gapper). These include Vilma, Dwayne Robertson, Shaun Ellis, Bryan Thomas and several others. They don't really seem that adaptable, yet the Jets never traded them. They probably will after this season.

    The Pats converted several guys who were 1-gappers to 2-gappers such as Vince Wilfork (a 1-gapper in college). That is good coaching by BB that has yet to be displayed by Mangini.

    J D Sal
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    You probably said this jokingly, but I bet there is a lot of Truth in that.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    It's really getting more and more fun to watch! And now we get to watch more "Chad Pennington Football" to boot.

    Is it unhealthy that I'm enjoying this so much?
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Nice, concise analysis there, J D, and I agree with it. It's not so much the tools you want to employ, as it is employing them correctly.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Vilma would be a beast for Indy. I could easily see them trading a 2nd for him...if they hadn't already traded away their 1st.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    The thing that this suggests to me is that, MAYBE Bill Belichick is also a much better TEACHER than Mangini.

    1) BB is known to have had Vilma on the short list for round one.

    2) BB doesn't miss on 1st rounders.

    3) Vilma comes to N.E., which he won't, but if he did, he'd be able to play it fine.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    This brings up another question. Why would you stick with Chad. Even if he gives you a better chance of winning 'now', he is not your qb of the future. Put your young backup in there and let him learn.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    for some reason..i can almost gurantee Vilma would be a great LB here in a 3-4

    Mangini..good job buddy. u had a decent/good defense in a 4-3 but u wanna go 3-4 and make the defense years away from being any good
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Thanks for the lecture, but you really missed the point: it is possible that Mangini doesn't know how to run any defense except a clone of the one he copied from BB. You remember that guy in school who could only pass his classes by copying other people's homework? That works as long as everyone gets the same questions. Now that Mangini has to deal with a DIFFERENT situation (different players, blah blah) he doesn't know the answers.
     
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    Re: Jets players starting to turn on Mangini?

    Well this is just plain weird. Coach says player was out of the game with an injury; player fumes, says no way, he was fine, it was a mysterious "coaching decision" to take him out; MRIs of the "coaching decision" reveal serious damage that could mean the end of his season.

    :rolleyes:

    Every little thing's a circus in Jets Land these days, isn't it?
     
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