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  1. vuudu

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    DE Mark Anderson 	WR Deion Branch 	DE Andre Carter
    OL Dan Connolly 	DE Shaun Ellis 	        RB Kevin Faulk
    RB BJGE      	        LB Gary Guyton          QB Brian Hoyer
    S James Ihedigbo 	DB Nate Jones 	        C Dan Koppen
    LB Niko Koutouvides 	S Bret Lockett 	        DL Kyle Love
    CB Antwaun Molden 	FB Lousaka Polite 	WR/S Matthew Slater
    DL Gerard Warren 	WR Wes Welker 	        LB Tracy White
    How many of these guys return in 2012?

    I say about 33% Return? Players I don't expect back, Faulk, Warren, Molden, Koutouvides, Ihedigbo.......oh oh oo Guyton....

    Other than Welker, I don't see much of a tough decision at all on any of these guys. I have a soft spot for BJGE and Anderson. I don't know about Carter. This is tough business, I will not like to be the one letting people go.
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    Got the list from Mike Reiss and Mike Rodak on ESPN boston
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    back in 2012

    Wes Welker,
    Matthew Slater,
    Kyle Love,
    Brian Hoyer,
    BJGE,
    Dan Connolly,
    Dan Koppen,
    James Ihedigbo,

    not back in 2012

    Niko Koutouvides,
    Antwaun Molden,
    Gerard Warren,
    Shaun Ellis,
    Gary Guyton,
    Nate Jones,
    Bret Lockett,
    Lousaka Polite,
    Kevin Faulk,
    Tracy White,

    could want more then the pats will pay ?

    Andre Carter,
    Mark Anderson,
    Deion Branch,
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    Question Hoyer, unless Mallett has not developed during his Red Shirt Year...

    Think Branch is gone.. but somehow they will keep either Anderson or Carter, maybe both.
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    I don't see Koppen coming back,I think the team moves on

    Belichick seems to like Tracy White as a STer...he'll return
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    I disagree. I see Koppen coming back until he loses his job to somebody better in Training Camp. I don't see anybody being able to do that who is currently on the roster.
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    My list of the people who will be back in 2012

    Wes Welker,
    Matthew Slater,
    Kyle Love,
    BJGE,
    Dan Connolly,
    James Ihedigbo,
    Tracy White,
    Andre Carter,
    Mark Anderson


    That's 9 out of 21 which will open up 11 roster spots
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    I think the "surprise" guy that won't be around next year is Koppen. They've proven that they have enough guys to fill that role just fine (heck, at times this year they've used their *4th* string center). To keep him would cost a lot. I think they should keep Welker, Slater, Anderson, Connolly, Love, and Ihedigbo. I'm ambivalent about some of the other guys. I like BJGE and would love to retain him, but I think he probably could get a lot of $$ elsewhere. Hoyer is fine, but I think Mallett will be fine as the #2 guy next year. Guyton, Ellis, Faulk, Branch...all useful players but I'm ok if they replace them.

    But yeah, Koppen is the likely surprise guy who I don't think will be back. Just too much money and they don't need him, really.
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    IMO, we will keep: Anderson, Connolly, Ihedigbo, Welker, Koppen, Love, Slater

    We may keep: Molden, Branch, Ellis, Koutouvides, Carter, Hoyer (depending on how comfortable they are with Mallett), White

    We will not keep: BJGE, Warren, Polite, Lockett, Jones, Faulk (retire), Guyton
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    Whats the guess work on what BJGE will be looking for next year?

    3 or 4 Mill a year?
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    Some of my thoughts

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    Agree with this list, plus Deion Branch if he has a good playoffs/offseason and can still play at the level he's at now.

    After Welker and maybe Carter/Anderson, should be quite easy to retain the rest.
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    Note that the players in red are not UFAs, and the Pats control their rights.
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    Sign welker...NOW
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    I actually think Branch will be back. Just not as a starter. I think he will sign for an one or two year minimum deal with incentives. The Pats will upgrade the starting position in free agency or the draft. I just don't think Branch is going to get a lot of action and would rather finish his career here rather than somewhere else. No one is going to sign him as a starter at this point. Even in the Pats' offense, the guy disappears far too much.

    Carter's injury will probably mean he will be back if he is going to be healthy. At his age, that injury made him go from a decent contract to an one year veteran contract with incentives.

    The good news is that about a quarter of the league are free agents. The Pats should be able to upgrade many positions very easily in free agency.
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    Kyle Love is an RFA, not a UFA. He'll be back.

    I believe the following will be brought back.

    Mark Anderson
    Matt Slater
    Ryan Wendell
    James Ihedigbo
    Antwan Molden
    Tracy White
    Wes Welker


    Contrary to CTPatsfan, Niko Koutivides and Brian Hoyer are NOT RFA. They are UFA. As is Brett Lockett. All have a minimum of 4 years in the league.
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    Anyone else want colston from the saints?
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    back:

    anderson
    connolly
    BJGE
    Ihedigbo
    Wes
    Carter
    Love*
    Slater
    White

    not back:

    Molden
    Warren
    Ellis
    Guyton
    Jones
    Polite
    Faulk
    Hoyer
    Koppen
    Koutovides

    Limbo:

    branch
    Lockett

    *=Restricted UFA

    its extremely difficult for BB to find good pass rushers for this team, thereby both anderson and carter will be back (if healthy) and i do not forsee them costing that much

    BJGE will be back, you cannot have only 2nd year RBs (and woodhead) plus i dont think other teams will pay that much for him

    branch is interesting, if he is back, it will be for an extremely limited role (ala Ocho this year), his is the easiest position to upgrade on this offense, and if it is upgraded to a guy who can beat man coverage....this offense just got that much better

    Koppen is not that much better than our other options at C this year, and i do not expect him back, if we do not draft a C this year, we can do w/ the other player for one more year till a young guy is drafted next year

    Lockett i dont know enough about, but i foresee his ST play to be moved to a rookie/FA, and i do not expect him back b/c slater and White are better STers....however since Slater went to pro bowl, he may want more money than we are willing to give him, hence Bret will be back

    the safety will be back, i dont think BB wants to pull another 2011 with the safeties
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    He's a possibility. Also, Robert Meachum from the Saints might be a good pick up. They will probably resign one, but not both.

    Also, Vincent Jackson who cannot be franchised. The Pats already chased Brandon Lloyd once, they might again. Although he could be franchised. I expect Bowe to be franchised so he is probably out.
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    Patriots in 2012

    Wes Welker,
    Andre Carter... injury and age hurt his open market FA value
    Mark Anderson, OK it May be Carter or Anderson who re-ups
    Deion Branch... nobody else is gonna pay $$$ for him
    Matthew Slater,
    Kyle Love,
    Brian Hoyer... nobody else will pay megabucks for this valued backup
    BJGE,
    Dan Connolly,
    Dan Koppen... injury and age hurt his open market FA value
    James Ihedigbo,
    Niko Koutouvides,
    Tracy White


    GONE in 2012
    Antwaun Molden*
    Gerard Warren...past his shelf sell by date
    Shaun Ellis...past his shelf sell by date
    Gary Guyton...Guyton era is OVAH; another UFA with upside will replace him
    Nate Jones*
    Bret Lockett*
    Lousaka Polite*
    Kevin Faulk...Retires a winner

    * Only their mothers care about these guys

    Combine this with bubble guys, Brace & Cunningham come to mind, the normal bottom of the roster and over the hill handful of CUTs, and then factoring in that some of these guys and others (Pryor) are on IR not the 53 it leaves 8 or more likely openings.

    I'm concerned because BB is an analytical guy and can count so there's risk he notices the missing later round picks, trades down our 1s and 2s for a bunch of those favored later round picks to staff up the 53 :eek:
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    Reiss tweeted an update: Lousaka Polite's contract runs through the 2012 season, so he is not a UFA.
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    I agree, and think that Dan Koppen is still an important part of the line.

    While I certainly feel as though the team will draft a center, it may not end up being quite as high as many here think.

    Even then, I think Koppen continues to play next yr while we groom the replacement.

    Dan Koppen has a great rapport with Brady himself, and has a lot to manage in recognition and call changes.
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    I used to think like that, regarding Koppen, and I hated seeing him get blown up but now seeing how much our protection has suffered and how deteriorated our run-blocking has become, I am not so sure anymore. I think I would like to see him back for at least 1-2 more years. At least until we get a legit center groomed. Neither Connolly or Wendell are starter quality centers.
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    Brian Hoyer is an RFA. This was his 3rd season.
    Brett Lockett is in his 3rd year sp he is an RFA
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    Yep.. I am wrong on that..

    Hoyer, Love, and Lockett are RFA..
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    Other than the obvious Welker, I want Mark Anderson back. Our defense is completely different when he's out there. He's even good against the run from what I saw last week.
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    Good update, I like to apply a rating to each player and then look for themes.

    The bolder the color the worse the position is rated.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...QXNhc0IweWJ6bUE&single=true&gid=0&output=html

    At a glance:
    - the cupboard is bare at WR and DE
    - the seconday is weak and has no depth

    Of the free agents I would start with the special teamers and work out (assumes Welker is franchised)

    White, Slater, Koutouvides, Ihedigbo Unfortunately some of these guys got to play positional roles. It reminds me of when Izzo had to play defense, shudder....

    The rest are "Price is right guys"
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    I think you missed the guys who are on the IR such as Hix and Tarpinian.


    Why did you rate Kopa, Silvestro, and Riviera as "Not NFL Caliber"? Do you really think that BB would have them on the PS if they had no shot at contributing?
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    I totally agree. I see no reason not to keep him around for another yr or two, groom the potential new guy, and have some quality depth at the position.

    On top of that, it really seems as though Belichick thinks highly of him in many ways.

    I think Koppen stays, his rapport with Brady and the line in general is too important. Not only that, but I haven't exactly seen improvement up the middle since he's been gone; and that is probably something that flies right over a lot of fans' heads. Yes Koppen has had issues at times, but I still think he brings a lot to the table.
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    Thank you, I will add Hix and Tarpinian.

    Not to be cruel but I think the practice squad players are their to help the varsity team practice. I could be wrong but I am drawing a blank on any former Patriots practice squad player who has ever made a meaningful contribution to the team.
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