players on the block for draft picks

[BobDigital]

BB is not afraid of trading a pick for a player.

This assumes however the player is not overly expensive for that year which is especially true this year.

A few that come to mind are of course

Kenny Vaccaro - S
Panthers - G (had 2 rookies come in and do well at Guard so could look to move a vet) Amini Silatolu maybe?
Raiders - G (Gabe Jackson could make the team want to trade/cut a more costly vet)

Just throwing out ideas and not sure I really want any of these guys that bad. Just trying to get the ball rolling. Any other names/teams that might want to move someone on draft day?

 

[mayoclinic]

It's a bit early. I'd want to see what happens in FA first. Kenny Vaccaro was someone I would have traded for, but with Pat Chung re-signed there are other areas on which to focus.

I could also easily see it go the other way, with someone like Alfonzo Dennard being traded away for a pick.

 

[manxman2601]

A guard, linebacker, DT or WR seem the most obvious.

I'd trade a 3rd for Kendall Wright although I don't know why the titans would do that.

 

[jboston19]

I've seen G Jonathan Cooper's name thrown out as someone that might be available. Pats supposedly loved him in the draft but he went high.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

cooper was the safest player at the safest position. Gets injured his rookie year before taking a snap, gets chastised by coach for being slow to improve, and barely plays this season.

Would be an interesting gamble, someone that would cost almost nothing but the 2 years base salary. Is he worth more than a 6th rounder at this point though?

 

[manxman2601]

God I would love Jonathan Cooper. Would trade a second rounder for him in a heartbeat. Easily my favourite prospect the year he came out.

 

[mayoclinic]

God I would love Jonathan Cooper. Would trade a second rounder for him in a heartbeat. Easily my favourite prospect the year he came out.

I don't know about a 2nd. A 3rd, maybe. A 4th, yes. Cooper has cap hits of almost $4M this year and over $4.6M in 2016, and his 5th year option would be a transition tag. So you'd have to be fairly confident that you were getting a very good starter to spend that on him at this point, no matter how good he appeared to be in 2013.

Athletically, I think Ali Marpet compares well with Jonathan Cooper:

Height: Cooper 6' 2 1/8" / Marpet 6' 3 6/8"
Weight: Cooper 311# / Marpet 307#
Arm Length: Cooper 33" / Marpet 33 3/8"
Hands: Cooper 10 1/4" / Marpet 10"
40: Cooper 5.06 / Marpet 4.98
10-split: Cooper 1.72 / Marpet 1.74
SS: Cooper 4.84 / Marpet 4.47
3C: Cooper 7.78 / Marpet 7.33
VJ: Cooper 27" / Marpet 30"
BJ: Cooper 9' 0" / Marpet 9' 0"
BP: Cooper 35 reps / Marpet 30 reps

Obviously, Cooper was in another league as far as development and as a prospect. But I had had the thought previously that Marpet could possibly become a Cooper-like athletic pulling guard.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I don't know about a 2nd. A 3rd, maybe. A 4th, yes. Cooper has cap hits of almost $4M this year and over $4.6M in 2016, and his 5th year option would be a transition tag. So you'd have to be fairly confident that you were getting a very good starter to spend that on him at this point, no matter how good he appeared to be in 2013.

Athletically, I think Ali Marpet compares well with Jonathan Cooper:

Height: Cooper 6' 2 1/8" / Marpet 6' 3 6/8"
Weight: Cooper 311# / Marpet 307#
Arm Length: Cooper 33" / Marpet 33 3/8"
Hands: Cooper 10 1/4" / Marpet 10"
40: Cooper 5.06 / Marpet 4.98
10-split: Cooper 1.72 / Marpet 1.74
SS: Cooper 4.84 / Marpet 4.47
3C: Cooper 7.78 / Marpet 7.33
VJ: Cooper 27" / Marpet 30"
BJ: Cooper 9' 0" / Marpet 9' 0"
BP: Cooper 35 reps / Marpet 30 reps

Obviously, Cooper was in another league as far as development and as a prospect. But I had had the thought previously that Marpet could possibly become a Cooper-like athletic pulling guard.

I believe the cap hit would be closer to the minimum, since almost all his guarantees were in his signing.

 

[BobDigital]

I don't know about a 2nd. A 3rd, maybe. A 4th, yes. Cooper has cap hits of almost $4M this year and over $4.6M in 2016, and his 5th year option would be a transition tag. So you'd have to be fairly confident that you were getting a very good starter to spend that on him at this point, no matter how good he appeared to be in 2013.

Athletically, I think Ali Marpet compares well with Jonathan Cooper:

Height: Cooper 6' 2 1/8" / Marpet 6' 3 6/8"
Weight: Cooper 311# / Marpet 307#
Arm Length: Cooper 33" / Marpet 33 3/8"
Hands: Cooper 10 1/4" / Marpet 10"
40: Cooper 5.06 / Marpet 4.98
10-split: Cooper 1.72 / Marpet 1.74
SS: Cooper 4.84 / Marpet 4.47
3C: Cooper 7.78 / Marpet 7.33
VJ: Cooper 27" / Marpet 30"
BJ: Cooper 9' 0" / Marpet 9' 0"
BP: Cooper 35 reps / Marpet 30 reps

Obviously, Cooper was in another league as far as development and as a prospect. But I had had the thought previously that Marpet could possibly become a Cooper-like athletic pulling guard.

I feel like in a draft with such good guard depth I wouldn't spend anything higher than a 5th. Also it is not like Cooper is a sure thing. He does have a few question marks. Still an option I would for sure explore as a low risk high reward signing.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't know about a 2nd. A 3rd, maybe. A 4th, yes. Cooper has cap hits of almost $4M this year and over $4.6M in 2016, and his 5th year option would be a transition tag. So you'd have to be fairly confident that you were getting a very good starter to spend that on him at this point, no matter how good he appeared to be in 2013.

Athletically, I think Ali Marpet compares well with Jonathan Cooper:

Height: Cooper 6' 2 1/8" / Marpet 6' 3 6/8"
Weight: Cooper 311# / Marpet 307#
Arm Length: Cooper 33" / Marpet 33 3/8"
Hands: Cooper 10 1/4" / Marpet 10"
40: Cooper 5.06 / Marpet 4.98
10-split: Cooper 1.72 / Marpet 1.74
SS: Cooper 4.84 / Marpet 4.47
3C: Cooper 7.78 / Marpet 7.33
VJ: Cooper 27" / Marpet 30"
BJ: Cooper 9' 0" / Marpet 9' 0"
BP: Cooper 35 reps / Marpet 30 reps

Obviously, Cooper was in another league as far as development and as a prospect. But I had had the thought previously that Marpet could possibly become a Cooper-like athletic pulling guard.

Cooper's signing bonus was $9M.. That stays with Arizona regardless of where he's playing. What the Pats would be on the hook for is his base salary and the roster bonuses of $1.1M and $1.4M in 2015 and 2016 respectively.

EDIT: One note.. Depending on when the 2015 Roster bonus is supposed to be paid, the Cardinals could be on the hook for that as well.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

It's a bit early. I'd want to see what happens in FA first. Kenny Vaccaro was someone I would have traded for, but with Pat Chung re-signed there are other areas on which to focus.

I could also easily see it go the other way, with someone like Alfonzo Dennard being traded away for a pick.

Id be willing to trade Chung and Dennard and a 7th for Kenny Vaccaro in a heart beat.
Or work a trade for those two players and give them our late 4th after we acquire a few picks form trading away a safety and corner.
He's a playmaker! He just had a bad year on a bad D. He could bring some attitude to our backfield. Bill could use him in so many ways.

but i doubt that would happen, especially considering NO's cap issues

 

[mayoclinic]

Id be willing to trade Chung and Dennard and a 7th for Kenny Vaccaro in a heart beat.

Or work a trade for those two players and give them our late 4th after we acquire a few picks form trading away a safety and corner.

He's a playmaker! He just had a bad year on a bad D. He could bring some attitude to our backfield. Bill could use him in so many ways.

I would, too. I had Vaccaro as an unlikely but highly attractive target in my early "backdraft" 8 weeks ago:

Pre-FA Trade vs. Re-Signings:

I would offer the Pats early 4th round pick from TB to New Orleans for DB Kenny Vaccaro. Vaccaro has 2 years left on his rookie deal. He would be a perfect fit as a hybrid S/LB/slot CB for the Pats. He was benched twice this season, partly over mis-use as a classic SS. I don't know if he can be gotten, but I'd make a run at him. If it doesn't work out, then I'd re-sign Pat Chung for something around 3 years/$8M with $3M guaranteed and a 2015 cap hit of about $2.5M, similar to Vaccaro's 2015 hit.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...s-of-a-motley-masochistic-mastermind.1114686/

But that was BEFORE the Saints kept Rob Ryan as DC and the Pats re-signed Chung, for darn close to what I had suggested (3 years, $7.2M, $3.4M guaranteed, 2016 cap hit of $2M). I'd still do it in a heartbeat, but I can't see it happening.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

I would, too. I had Vaccaro as an unlikely but highly attractive target in my early "backdraft" 8 weeks ago:


http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...s-of-a-motley-masochistic-mastermind.1114686/

But that was BEFORE the Saints kept Rob Ryan as DC and the Pats re-signed Chung, for darn close to what I had suggested (3 years, $7.2M, $3.4M guaranteed, 2016 cap hit of $2M). I'd still do it in a heartbeat, but I can't see it happening.

Haha nice. Again we see eye to eye on something.

I mean, wasn't it Rob Ryan that benched him? Maybe he would be willing to part ways with him?
Chung did have a good year, especially if you look at his numbers and ranking as a SS. I think he fits a "classic SS", more so then Vaccaro does.

God having Vaccaro would be awesome!